Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: ARTHUR ALTY
Hi, I'm new to this Forum so please be kind to me! I'm clutching at straws in the hope that someone can help before I go buying Certs - so here's my query - Arthur ALTY B.1873 married Elizabeth HODGE in 1896 -
I have Arthurs dad as being Richard and Mum Alice, I'm assuming her maiden name to be BALL.
I have been reading all the past posts on this site and can see that the name Ball is quite a common one - so - on that basis I'm just hoping someone out there has a comon interest - any help greatly appreciated - HOLLY
Hi Holly - and welcome to the best forum on the web! I'm sure somebody will be along shortly to help you - the main thing to remember is not to order a certificate until you are sure it's the one you really want - good hunting
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Welcome Holly. I'm sure you will get lots of help on here.
A few thoughts - Don't assume anything, always try and get proof and certificates are a good way (but yes make sure its the right one before paying out) & always try and check any information you are given
Good hunting
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Marriages Jun 1872
Alty Richard Ormskirk 8b 1083
Ball Alice Ormskirk 8b 1083
1881 England Census
Household Members:
Reginald Aspinwall 46
Hannah Aspinwall 33
John Aspinwall 14
Charles Aspinwall 11
Elizabeth Aspinwall 9
Mary Aspinwall 5
Richard Alty 38 Mason, 96 Lorne St, born: Southport
Alice Alty 40 born: Southport
Richard Alty 12 born: Southport
Arthur Alty 8 born: Southport
Ann E. Alty 4 born: Southport
Peter Alty 1 born: Southport
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3752; Folio: 84; Page: 29; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341898.
Marriages Sep 1870
ALTY Richard Ormskirk 8b 954
Kinsley Ann Ormskirk 8b 954
1871 England Census
Civil Parish: North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Alty 24 poulterers assistant
Anne Alty 26 born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rose Kinsley 35 sister born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3874; Folio: 32; Page: 1; GSU roll: 842030
Marriages Mar 1839
ABRAM Anne Ormskirk 21 308
ALTY Richard Ormskirk 21 308
1851 England Census
Name: Richard Ally
[Richard Alty]
Where born: North Meols, Lancashire, England
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Ally 35
Joseph Ally 11
Thomas Ally 9
Anne Alty 7
Richard Ally 7
William Ally 5
William Ally 2
Nancy Ally 15
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2196; Folio: 592; Page: 46; GSU roll: 87205.
1841 England Census
Street address:??uttering lane
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Alty 30 ag labourer
Ann Alty 25
Joseph Alty 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 514; Book: 3; Civil Parish: North Meols; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 45; Page: 26; Line: 3; GSU roll: 306902.
This looks like the family of Arthur in 1911 cenus
ALTY AUTHAR M 1876 35 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY ADA F 1906 5 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY ALICE F 1899 12 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY ELLEN F 1877 34 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY ELLEN F 1908 3 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY LIZZIE F 1910 1 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY PETER M 1903 8 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY RICHARD M 1901 10 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY WILLIAM M 1898 13 Ormskirk Lancashire
ALTY THOMES M 1840 71 Ormskirk Lancashire
Sure I came across Arthur and Elizabeth Hodge the other day but cannot find anything now
Some Alty's used to have the donkeys on the beach. Their farm was in Moss Road, now Dovehaven. Came across a picture of two of the daughters the other day,(from what I can remember it's them), one was Christine, cannot remember the other. Went to school with their brother Peter???. Always remember going to a party there and bobbing for apples.
Last edited by Yvonne on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:00 am; edited 1 time in total
marriage 1839 Marriage solemnized in the Parish Church in the Parish of North Meols in the County of Lancaster No. 39 March 11th
Richard Alty age 29 Bachelor Labourer Snuttering Lane (father) Joseph Alty Labourer
Anne Abraham 21 Spinster Snuttering Lane (father) Thomas Abram Labourer
Married in the Parish Church of North Meols according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church ...
This Marriage was solemnized between us, Richard x (his mark) Alty Anne x (her mark) Abram
in the presence of us, Robert x (his mark) Ab... Isabella x (her mark) Rimmer
Works out
Ann daughter of Thomas was my 4th gt grandaunt.
Richard Alty son of Joseph and Ann Abram c 1786
so Richard and Ann were 1st cousins
In the Southport Street Directory of 1914-15 there were the following Altys:
Alfred Alty, 6 Shaftesbury Ave
Alf Alty, plasterer, 217 Susex Rd
Arthur Alty, fish hawker, 45 Guilford Rd
Mrs Betty Alty, 56 Shellfield Rd
Mrs Catheirne Alty, 45 Shakespere St
Jas. Alty, stoker, 52 Cardigan Rd
J. Alty, painter, plumber, chimney sweeper, etc., 129 Old Park Lane
Mrs Mary Alty, charwoman, 129 Boundary St
Richard Alty, wireman & caretaker, 6 Liverpool Rd
Robert Alty, motorman, 28 Ash lane
Robert Alty labourer, 57 Shellfield Rd
William Alty, hawker, 131 Boundary St
William Alty, fish dealer, 171a Hampton Rd
William Alty, plasterer, 57 Cemetery Rd
William Alty, plasterer, 14 Stamford Rd
William Henry Alty, 5 Trafalgar Rd
Thank you all for your welcome and all the information you have found on my behalf.
I don't know where to begin here so first off - I think 1911 census from Yvonne looks good - The Streets directory has some links for me, ie; Guildford Rd and Stamford Rd, thanks Bobg.. and thanks Sooner for all that info which appears to link in.
The Alty family belong to my Husband and I am doing this research on behalf of his Aunt. Husband informs me he has a relative called Peter in the Stamford Rd area (his Aunts Cousin). Could be the same Peter you went apple bobbing with Yvonne! They also had the donkeys on Southport beach!
Now - would anyone know which would be the most likely Church they would use before I spend my money on Certs - I hope to go to Preston R.O for a few hours next week - so any ideas would be just fantastic!
Once again thank you all for your time and kindess - Holly
I don't know which church it may have been but before you go to the Lancashire RO in Preston check their site online and make sure they have the records for the church at the time you want.
St Peters Church would be the nearest I think - but they didn't always go to the nearest church - there's also St John's in Birkdale (that's if they were CofE of course) and there were many non-conformist churches and chapels around that area!
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Thanks Seacoprimmer - I don't know the area but was thinking St Cuthberts - perhaps not - will have to get on the phone to my Aunt and see if she can remember anything (they ask you to do these things and withhold all the details!) Holly
I would say it's most unlikely that they would go to St Cuthbert's; there are three main churches in Birkdale - St John's, St James' and St Peter's; but as I said there's many, many little chapels and churches around Birkdale (as there are everywhere) - good hunting
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When I lived in Stamford Road in my youth I went to St John's Birkdale, however St Peter's was nearer, (I was baptised there). but most of my relly's who lived around there seem to have married St Peter's or St James.
Before the new road up to Tesco was built Moss Road was a continuation of Stamford Road.
Looking at Births
Christine Alty 1944
Diane 1946
Sheila 1943
Peter A 1949 (year fits with him going to same school as me)
all with mother surname Thompson
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