Ann Blundell c1828

mjayt7 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: Ann Blundell c1828

I've just found my final great great grandparent hidden away in Shropshire and decided now is the time to stop chasing numbers and start to put more flesh on the bones of those people I know.

Ann Blundell was born in Southport in 1828 (by census calculation) and married John Dow, a Scot, in 1848 at Sefton Church. They had four children Jennette, Sarah (both 1849), Margaret (1851) and James (1857). This was the same year that she died.

I wonder if anyone has Ann (or the others) in their tree. Who were her parents. Did the final childbirth kill her. How did she come to marry a Scot.

Can anyone help?

André · Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Amsterdam

1851 census Litherland
"60" Litherland Park
James DOW 30 yrs Agricultural Labourer born Scotland Blackford
Ann do 23 yrs born Southport Lancs
Jannet do 2 yrs born Walton Lancs
Margaret Ellen do 2 yrs born Walton Lancs
Sarah do 2 months born Litherland Lancs

1861 census Southport
"74" No.95 Lord Street
William CARR Head Mar 46 yrs Green Grocer Dealer in Grains born Birkdale
Sarah do Wife Mar 46 Wife born North Meols
James DOW Serv Widow 38 Asst born Blackford Scotland
Jannet Dow do Unm 12 do born Walton
Ellen Dow do Unm 12 do born Walton
Mary Rimmer Unm 26 do born North Meols

Name: Ann Dow
Year of Registration of Death: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ormskirk
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 437

The IGI gives Nov 1826 as the nearest match:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

ANN BLUNDELL

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
05 NOV 1826 Southport, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JAMES BLUNDELL
Mother: ELLEN

I can't yet find a marriage for this James BLUNDELL to Ellen.

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mjayt7 · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject:

Thanks Andre,

Now to double check which were the twins and who was the younger sister.

I'll order a birth certificate for that Ann, the dates certainly fit, as does the area.

Wonder what happened to the two "babies" (including the unborn James) between censuses.

There are also five different Blackfords in Scotland. The name Dow suggests Fife per Family Search.

Interesting how the Scottish Jennette gradually morphs through Jannet to Janet in later documents.

Mike

SeaCopRimmer · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:50 am Post subject:

Are you talking about the Ann born 1826? If so, you cannot get a Birth Certificate for her as Certificates were only issued post-1837! The only way to be sure of her dates are to check the Parish Register for her baptism and hope that the Clerk has entered a date of birth for her - if not you can only use the assumed age(s) given on the Census Returns.

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mjayt7 · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject:

Bother!

I knew that, I had in mind their marriage certificate.

Onwards and Upwards...

mjayt7 · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject:

I have discovered the IGI has a list of four;
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 4
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. JAMES BLUNDELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAY 1820 North Meols, Lancashire, England

2. GILBERT BLUNDELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAY 1830 North Meols, Lancashire, England

3. ELLEN BLUNDELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1823 North Meols, Lancashire, England

4. ANN BLUNDELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 NOV 1826 Southport, Lancashire, England

Whereas Lancashire has seven;
Baptisms: 17 Apr 1814 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Sarah Blundell - Daughter of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Halsall
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: G. Ford Rector
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 5, Entry 33
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 10 Dec 1815 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Blundell - Daughter of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Halsall
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: John Fish Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 14, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 29 Mar 1818 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
John Blundell - Son of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Birkdale
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: Wm.Docker Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 70, Entry 557
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 14 May 1820 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
James Blundell - Son of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Birkdale
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Wm. Docker Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 99, Entry 784
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 14 Apr 1822 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Margery Blundell - Daughter of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Birkdale
Occupation: Weaver
Notes: The following are southport entry`s
Baptised by: Joseph Saul Ofss. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 135, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 28 Dec 1823 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Ellin Blundell - Daughter of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Birkdale
Occupation: Miller
Baptised by: Wm. Docker Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 4, Entry 32
Source: LDS Film 1068944

Baptisms: 30 May 1830 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Gilbert Blundell - Son of James Blundell & Ellen
Abode: Southport
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Richd. Walker Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 228, Entry 1823
Source: LDS Film 1068944

and a big gap between the last two. So I'm fairly certain we've got the right one, but I'll keep looking.

mjayt7 · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:

And this might be the marriage;

International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. JAMES BLUNDELL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 27 SEP 1813 Melling By Maghull, Lancashire, England

International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. ELLEN JUMP - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Marriage: 27 SEP 1813 Melling By Maghull, Lancashire, England

mjayt7 · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject:

Just to confirm that I think everybody who helped and provided information seems to be right.

James Dow and Ann Blundell's marriage certificate on June 25th 1848 shows her father to be James, a labourer and one of the witnesses is Sarah Taylor.

They're both living in Orrell, Sephton (sic) and marry in the Parish Chuch of Sephton.

James' father is John, a husbandman like his son.

Dotty · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: Err...

Good news Mike. Just an aside but it is possible to have 2 children born in the same year and they not be twins...as long as there was 9 months between them. I.e January and September, February and October and March and December.

The ages are not recorded when they are baptised and some families got several of their children baptised at the same time.

This may or may not make things easier for you. I have Blundells in my family history. I must check your inofrmation out and see if I can place one or two on my line.

Some answers give more questions!

TTFN

Dotty

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mjayt7 · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

Thanks Dotty, you may be able to help with a new Blundell related query that has now cropped up.

This little group have got me intrigued, I need to know more about them, I even need to know what they had for breakfast.

This is what I think I know;
James Dow, son of John Dow and Janet Robin was born in Muthill, Fife on 24th August 1820 and christened in the local Episcopal Chuch on 5th November. He later says he was born in Blackford on two censuses but the two are only about eight miles apart.

In 1841 on the Scottish census he is an agricultural labourer in Muthill, aged 20.

Sometime between 1841 and 1848 he moves to Sefton and meets Ann Blundell (or the other way around) and they marry at St Helen's Church in Sefton on 25th June 1848.

Ann is the daughter of James B and Ellen Jump and born in Halsall but christened at the other St Cuthberts in North Meols in 1826.

Children follow quickly; Jennette/Jannet/Janet and Margaret Ellen (later known as just Ellen) in 1849, Sarah in 1851 and James in 1857.

By 1851 they've moved to Litherland Park (except little James who isn't born yet).

Shortly after James birth (2nd Quarter 1857) Ann dies (3rd Q 1857) by then they're all in Southport.

By 1861 James, a widower, plus Janet and Ellen are living at 95 Lord Street with William and Sarah Carr (a William Carr married a Sarah Blundell and Ann had a sister Sarah and a Sarah Blundell was a witness at her wedding so I assume that these are in-laws as well as employers) it is a Greengrocer and Grain Dealers. Little James and Sarah are missing but a Sarah Dow dies in 1853 so that may be her.

In 1864 James also dies. The twins are 14 or 15. Little James is maybe 7.

In 1881 James Junior turns up again, in the household of Uncle William Carr (mistranscribed Curr) a Gun and Marine Dealer's Store at 121 Eastbank Street. Also there are two grown up Blundells and four little ones. The older two are Gilbert, age 50 (Ann's younger brother) and Ellen 32 (the Margaret Ellen above?).

So now the questions!!
Why did James move hundreds of miles South in the 1840s,
Is it significant that four of his siblings went even further, to Australia,
Where is James Junior between 1857 and 1881 (it is probably he who dies in 1934 aged 76),
Did Gilbert Blundell marry his sister's daughter, is this legal,
Does anyone know anything about the Grocers at 95 Lord Street 1n 1861 or the Gun Dealers at 121 Eastbank Street in 1881. The latter must have been a thriving business with William running it and employing both Gilbert and James.

I know you all like a good mystery.

Mike

Dotty · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: I say...

We have a society member who has Carrs in the family. She also mentions a shop in town. If you are a member of the society you could look up the members who are researching the Carrs.

Have you tried posting on a Scottish website to see what they have to say?

Dotty

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Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 365 Location: Southport

Where is James Junior between 1857 and 1881

1871
This has to be the Carr's mistranscribed
RG10; Piece: 3876; Folio: 23; Page: 40

William Carn 56
Sarah Carn 56
Janet Dow 22
Margeret E Dow 22
James Dow 13

Could this be him 1861 - any connection to Hodge?

RG9; Piece: 2762; Folio: 94; Page: 17

Thomas Hodge 34
Elizabeth Hodge 44
Ellen Hodge 11
James Daw 3 born Litherland

Possible that Elizabeth is nee Blundell
Baptisms: 10 Dec 1815 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Blundell - Daughter of James Blundell & Ellen

Thomas & Betty and daughter Ellen age 1, in 1851 are next door to William Carr in Upper King St.
William has living with him a Ralph Blundell - orphan age 13

Unable to find Thomas & Elizabeth/Betty marriage though

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