Re Arcaris at veg and fruit shop. I know I am not related, however my info on them is from the 1930's.
My quandry is: a person that used to work for them back then may be my grandfather. This person was supposedly killed sept/oct 1930 in a motorcycle accident, no sign of his death shows in any official records. I have a picture of his fresh grave and it looks like it might be private property as against a cemetary.
I wondered if in fact he was buried on his employers (Arcari's) property.
I believe the Southport library has newspapers dating back to the time, I would imagine an accidental death would likely be in the paper?
Are there people who will do searches of these things??
The name of the person I am checking on is Victor Thorne.
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: Arcari
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I remember Mr Arcari the ice cream maker/seller. He lived at 70 Linaker Street and made his ice cream in an outhouse at the back of that address in the 1930s. He had a 'stop-me-and-buy-one' tricycle but most local children called at the back door of the house when Mr Arcari, or his wife, would come out and serve them from what used to be the wash-house. Watching the ice cream being made was a popular attraction.
Well I am way overdue, I have just realised there were replies in this thread. I was researching a man (could have been my mother's father) who worked for Mr Arcari the Ice Cream seller in the 1930's, yes MrEd, that indeed sounds like the Mr Arcari I was looking for. My mother had since made progress in finding her possible father, and this small clue that Mr Arcari really did exist was helpful to her. She has since passed away and I am going through her files etc and bringing this to a conclusion was a small job I needed to do.
My Gt Grandmother was a Betsy Edith Mack and she had a fancy dress shop in Lord St in the late 1920's early 1930's, she lived at "The Sylvan Grange" 28 Duke St. There are a few old Southport references including pictures in my mothers files, I shall post some here when I can.
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: Not about the Acaris
I'll go nuts if if I can't remember who sold ice cream from a trike round High Park. Oh My God I just have ! It was Bob Marshall, I think his premises were in Norwood Road, also in in an outside wash house.
Mrs Vincent Thorne, lodging house keeper, 56 Banastre Rd. (corner of Linaker St)
Mr Vincent Thorne, lodging house keeper, several listings as follows:
- 161 Sefton St. home
- 117 Boundary St (no occupation listed)
- 141 & 143 Boundary St. property dealer.
- 88 to 98 Boundary St. lodging house keeper, (all the houses between Hampton Rd & Sefton St).
- 156 Hampton Rd. lodging house. (corner of Boundary St)
Could they be the parents of Victor? Hope this helps.
Yes Victor's father was Vincent, the one at 156 Hampton Rd. My mother had made some ground regarding all this since I first posted here in 2006, in fact she ended up connecting with a relative of Victor's. It is believed Victor worked for Mr Arcari on ocassions selling Ice Cream from one of those carts.
It's been a funny one, my grandmother threw into the equation that Victor was killed on a motorbike in 1930 (conveniently just before my mother was born) but we found this not to be true, although I do have a picture of "the grave". It's all very odd. I think the whole thing was a bit of a tangled web and she was possibly protecting him somewhat given he already had a family. To any descendant of Victor's I would say "nothing has been proven, this is just a riddle that my grandmother put forth with some truths and some maybe not.
That'll be our man, the next thing I've often wondered is was Victor related to the Arcari's. Victor's brother was Alonso, good italian name.
Not that it changes anything.
I have attached the picture I found in my Grandmother's photo collection, supposedly Victor's grave...but it is well known he lived to be in his 70's. It's an odd picture, doesn't look like a cemetary, looks almost like a set up. Maybe someone might recognise the location, note the horse and cart coming out of the barn in the background.
My mother had contact with two relatives of Victor Thorne's family, they were cousins or second cousins. I have recently also communicated with one of them and he has been very helpful but of course no-one can confirm the ultimate ie...was Victor my grandfather. We had considered DNA tests, my mother unfortunatly has passed away not completely knowing the answer.
I still have the audio recording of the interview I did with my grandmother, in it she states Victor was killed on his motorbike as he drove away from meeting her, hit by a bus, October 1930. She even say's she was there and witnessed it all. But..the fact remains the Victor Thorne we have focused on lived into his 70's. I am sure it is the right Victor, he fits the Arcari connection and lived in the next street. The story is she was already expecting my mother when he was killed, she then met another man who married her anyway. His name was Stanley Rimmer and he lived in Union St. But Stanley was definitly not my mother's natural father.
The problem I have is, if my grandmother fabricated part of the story did she also fabricate the rest?
So, it is one of those mysteries that may never be unraveled. I appreciate the input here though, small clues are helpful and you never know what pops up.
Um so what you are saying is the wrong man's name went on the birth certificate as father?
Maybe DNA tests are the only way to know for certain
As for the accident and death of victor Thorne - there might be a report in one of the local newspapers of the time. They are kept in the local reference library. I offer free research for our members because of the time it takes.
At that time we had 2 local papers - one was a twice weekly, the other thrice weekly - so a lot of papers to look through
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