Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: George Howard
I'm looking for information on my Great Grandfather George Howard.
He was born around 1860 in Southport.
Was still alive in 1936 and living at 88 Linekar Street.
Married Mary Jane Rimmer (born around 1859 in North Meols) on 17th April 1882 at Congregational Chapel, Portland Street.
Father was Thomas Howard, Mother unknown.
Was a policeman in the local force and retired as a Detective Inspector.
One of his sons Norman Howard was killed in WW1 and awarded the MM.
Unable to locate him in the 1881 (or before) census but is there for 1891 and 1901.
I have only had a quick look and have to go off now. Maybe someone can double check this for me.
I wonder if if he made his fathers name up and his mother hadn't married his father. I have come across that sort of thing.
I have found this George Howard born 1860.
Mother Ruth in 1861 she was unmarried and an Inn keeper,
she married a John Ormesher in 1868, George is with them in 1871 in 1881 she is a widow and George a grocers assistant.
Only thing is his place of birth is given as either Orsmirk or Lathom but on 1891 it is Marshside.
Let us know what you think.
Germaine
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I might be completey wrong on that one. Had a quick look about. From what I can see Ruth was a widow thought it was a U now think it was a W.
Found this.
Baptism: 18 Nov 1860 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
George Howard - Son of Charles Howard & Ruth
Abode: Ormskirk
Occupation: Hairdresser
Baptised by: H W Jones - Curate
Register: Baptisms 1855 - 1877, Page 135, Entry 1080
Source: LDS Film No. 1849664
Also found a Charles Howards death in first quarter of 1861.
So may not be right after all.
Sorry
Germaine
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Thanks for the response. I too went down this track but George's marriage certificate definately says his father is Thomas so I'm not sure Ruth is his mother.
Maybe George is his middle name but either way he is proving pretty elusive to find.
Hi Bob well had another look this morning he certainly is elusive.
Just a thought maybe his mother wasn't married when he was born and he was using a different name on earlier census.
I had this with my G Grandfather he was a Meadows but from being born until he married used his step fathers name Ball.
It was only by luck that I was told he had a connection with the Ball family that I found him . Though on his marriage he didn't name a father at all.
Never have found out who his father was.
No I don't think that Ruth is his mother as in 1891 I found Ruth with her son George so that one can be ruled out.
I think you are right there is another name somewhere by the looks of it.
Good Luck if I think of anything will come back.
Germai ne
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Oh I don't know if it is anything relevant but in 1881 there is a Mary Rimmer mother Jenny Howard . Is this your Mary I wonder if George was related to Jenny's husband and that is how they met.
A real mystery man. I can only add a few points that may help
Have you tried the marriage witnesses? They sometimes help. They are often relatives
Do you know when he died? There are often some really good funeral reports in local papers which give away family information or names of family members. Knowing who a brother or sister was may lead back to a census that way
Oh and welcome to the forum :grin:
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Jane has some good points there.
I was looking for a George Sumner for 4 years in one census. Tunred out his father was at sea and he was put down under his half sisters surname and that was mistranscribed.
He must be somehwere hope you strike lucky.
Germaine
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Thanks for the responses.
The witnesses on the marriage certificate were both Rimmers.
I don't know when he died. All I know is he was still alive in 1936.
Are there any Southport paper archives on line? I live in Australia and I don't think the local libraries here would carry that information.
Mary's mothers name is Jenny, I looked at that census listing before but got sidetracked. I think I'll look at that again. Thanks Germaine.
Good find Yvonne.
I wonder if this is of any interest.
If it is welcome to the family . Oh and these Meadows are not the easiest famly to keep track of. Talk about scandal
Germaine
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Name: George MEADOW
Father: Thomas MEADOW HOWARD b: in North Meols, Lancashire, England c: 4 MAR 1816 in St. Cuthberts, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Mother: Ellen
chr 1816 Mar 4 Thomas Meadow Howard, illegimate son Thomas Meadow & Ellen Howard church town weaver
Thomas Meadows and family North Meols Census 7th April 1861 District 5, page 19
North Meols, Marshside
95 Bank End Thomas Meadows Head Married male 45 Agricultural labourer Lancashire, North Meols
Ellen Meadows wife married female 42 Lancashire, North Meols
Elizabeth Meadows Daughter unmarried 24 Silk Weaver Lancashire, North Meols
Alice Meadows daughter unmarried 18 Silk Weaver Lancashire, North Meols
Hugh Meadows Son unmarried male 16 Agricultural labourer Lancashire, North Meols
Margery Meadows daughter unmarried female 12 Scholar Lancashire, North Meols
Thomas Meadows Son male 10 Scholar Lancashire, North Meols
Richard Meadows son male 6 scholar Lancashire, North Meols
Margaret Daughter female 4 scholar Lancashire, North Meols
George Meadows son male 2 Lancashire, North Meols
Thanks for the responses.
The witnesses on the marriage certificate were both Rimmers.
I don't know when he died. All I know is he was still alive in 1936.
Are there any Southport paper archives on line? I live in Australia and I don't think the local libraries here would carry that information.
Mary's mothers name is Jenny, I looked at that census listing before but got sidetracked. I think I'll look at that again. Thanks Germaine.Bob
As far as I'm aware non of the local papers will be online. If I have a date - even a 3 month period would help - then I would try looking in some old papers which are kept in our local library.
Do you have access to onl;ine death indexes? It may be quite a search to find his detah but worth it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Police in Southport
I have tried to look up the name George Howard in the records I have of the Southport County Borough Police Force (1870-1969) but there is no reference to that name. Unfortunately the old records for the Force were thrown away in 1969 when we amalgamated with Lancashire Constabulary. A further complication is that Birkdale was policed by Lancashire up to 1912 when it became part of Southport.
The Lancashire Records office do have some limited records of the Lancashire Force.
I was sent some info about a relly who was in the Police in Manchester. Lancs RO had info on him eg
joined 1874 -1883,
it gave
his status on joining
height
age
complextion
hair colour,
eye colour
previous job
where born
wife's name
If he married after he joined the police it may give his parents
Good idea to get in touch with the Lancs record office .
I would certaily email them they are very helpful.
Especailly if you get info like that.
I don't know if you have seen this one Bob, I know the dob is out but you know hwat they were like.
1881
George Howard abt 1855 North Meols, Lancashire, England Boarder North Meols, Lancashire address Marshside.
Germaine
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