Am I missing something obvious?
I have Lloyd ancestors baptised in the Independent Chapel (attested by Joyce Otterstrom and/or Lancashire Online Parish Clerks). But, having just bought the transcriptions of Baptisms 1825-1840 from NMFHS, they are missing. In fact the two sources don't seem to match up.
Tell me I'm being stupid - or is it ignorance?
There are several Independent Chapels in North Meols/Southport - when Bez comes online she will explain the different places; there is also a list of churches/chapels on this forum (can't remember where) - I'm sure somebody will direct you?
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George Lloyd and Margaret Taylor were married in the Primitive Methodist Chapel, London St. Would that be the same as the (1868) Ebenezer Independent Methodist in Jane's list? If so, are there any records known?
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Independent Chapel
Delboy wrote:
Am I missing something obvious?
I have Lloyd ancestors baptised in the Independent Chapel (attested by Joyce Otterstrom and/or Lancashire Online Parish Clerks). But, having just bought the transcriptions of Baptisms 1825-1840 from NMFHS, they are missing. In fact the two sources don't seem to match up.
Tell me I'm being stupid - or is it ignorance?
I encountered this problem a couple of years ago - Joyce had records on her database that are not in the NMFHS transcription and the reason for this was that the person who transcribed the first part of the Register (1806-1825) unfortunately missed some out - I assume they would have been working from microfilm. I have now seen a copy of the original register and can confirm that what is on the Park database is correct as far as the register entries go up to 1837. If Joyce quotes a register entry, it is correct.
I didn't realise there was a problem with the transcripts 1825-1840, but I know there are discrepancies because the first and second registers overlap. The second register is still in use and it was started in 1824 when the Rev William Alexander took over as the minister - George Greatbatch having moved to Southport. This second register seems to have started life as the personal record of baptisms at the Independent Chapel done by William Alexander. All the baptisms were recorded in the first register, but the second register (until 1838) only recorded baptisms performed by William Alexander personally.
After Civil Registration began in 1837 the Government called in all the registers from the dissenting chapels (not all ministers responded - some ignored the order). The first register from the Independent Chapel was sent to London, although it is clear from the note on the form which accompanied it that the Rev Alexander didn't realise it would never be returned. From this point, up to the present day, William Alexander's personal record became the only register.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: Independents
I can't find out about the Primitive Methodist Chapel, London St, mentioned on the marriage certificate of George Lloyd and Margaret Taylor (1877). Where was it? What is it now? A Thomas Bennett has signed the certificate, if that means anything.
There was a primitive Methodist Chapel at no 5 Derby Road. This was near the junction of London Street and it may be that was the same one. Street names and numbers of property were rather confusing in those days.
If my memory serves me correctly, I think it burnt down and services were held for a while in the Cambridge Hall. St Mark's Primitive Methodist Church (aka The Jam Chapel) in Church Street was built to replace it. Of course l would need to check that.
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I have checked the numbering in Derby Road today and number 5 would have been facing down London Street hence the reason it may have also been known as London Street Independent Methodist
1890 - June 9th.Serious fire at London Street Primitive Methodist Church, when damage was done to the extent of nearly £1,000. The Building was insured, but not the loose contents.
1890 - October 8th. Memorial stones of a new Primitive Methodist Hall, Derby Road, laid by Mr W P Hartley, Mrs Pilkington, Mrs Unwin and Mr Charles Scarisbrick. The congregation were worshipping in Cambridge Hall through having been "burnt out" at London Street.
1891 - September 2nd. The Primitive Methodist Hall and Sunday School opened by Mrs W P Hartley. The sermon was preached by the Rev A T Guttery.
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Somewhere in my family there is a silver trowel inscribed:
Quote:
Presented to MR JAMES HALSALL
on the occasion of his laying
the Foundation Stone of the
Primitive Methodist Chapel
High Park, Southport
August 22nd 1891
James Halsall was my great great uncle, I wish I knew where the trowel is
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