Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: Meadows
I wonder if anyone is going to the libary if they have the time could they have a look in the local newspaper of the time for anything relating to Margaret Meadows arrest. I do have the snippet from the Liverpool newspaper but nothing from Southport. I live in Fleetwood so it is hard for me to get to Southport have been on a Sat. but then the library is shut.
Any help i would be ever so grateful for and of course will pay.
What i do have is this.
Daily Post, Saturday April 21st 1860
Crown Court Yesterday
Sentences
Margaret MEADOWS, aged 19, was indicted for having at North Meols, on 8th February last, stolen a sovereign and a two shilling piece, from William LAWTON, 6months
I also have the bill of costs and it states the witness and looks like this happened on Lord St.
Thanks in advance
Germaine
Just a point that was made to me that she may have been here in 1860 and to check the papers here. . Haven't looked at the Fleetwood papers as I doubt she would have been here then, my G Grandather was born at Marshside in 1861-2 can't find his birth reg. I will do though leave no stone unturned as they say I do know she married here in 1869.
Germaine
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: good timing
Hi Germaine
Your timing is impecable...immpecable...impeccable...good! Several of us will be in the library the week after next. Are you a member of the society? I know that the library charges 50p per A4 page for photocopying.
Am at work so better get on with a bit of filing, etc.
Speak soon,
Dotty
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Now Dotty that would be a good idea. We can look it up while we are showing people how to do their research. Would be a good exercise in how to use the local papers and just what can be found.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: nice one...
I had a good idea.....yippee!
We would need more information though about Germaine's grandfather. You always need every last bit of information...isn't that right Jane? (I'm going for a double....)
Dotty
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Hi Dotty and Jane hey that is so good of you.Thankyou
I will start at the beginning I have loads on the Meadow/s .
Yes I am a member of NFMHS which reminds me my yearly subs must be due . I have the one name extracts of St. Cuthberts and when I checked through it all found that nearly all of the Meadows are mine. took me a long time to figure and sort it but today I got a document which ties it all in. It is of an indenture? of James Meadow obtaining land to build a mill in Scarisbrick on the land of Lord Eccleston haven't read it all yet very big and all scribbly writing and in oldish English. Anway it proves what I am going to tell you of the family is right.
I will start with John Meadows my Great Grandfather.
He was the illigitimate son of Margaret Meadows he was born in 1861 or 62 he died aged 70 in 1942.
A family story said his father was lost at sea before he was born and his name was Ball but in my research I found his step father was Gilbert Ball I do not think he could be his father as he was in Fleetwood married to his first wife at the time. Margaret and Gilbert married in 1869 in Fleetwood
On the 1861 i could find no trace of his mother Margaret then found a M M in Kirkdale gaol her details fitting Margarets so researched further and found out about the Larceny.
I have the snippet as I wrote from Liverpool also the bill of costs for her case. Do you want the details of that.
On census John Meadows states birth place as Southport / North Meols and Marshside. He was a pain to trace as from 71 till he got married in 1883 he went by the name Ball then reverted back to Meadows.
I have been unable to find the family together on any census after the last entry in the Parish reg. so I am thinking they were orphaned .
Margaret c 1835 was the daughter of James Meadows b 1793 a miller, son of Henry Meadow c1768 who in turn was son of James Meadow c 1744 again a miller.I haven't been able to find when James 1793 or Henry 1768 died but I have found a James named on the parish reg in St. Cuthberts dying in 1835 aged 99 (good age for those days).Wonder if that is James that i have as 1744
I have more info on the family if you need it. Not sure how much you need if you need more let me know.
Thanks again for your offer of help it is much appreciated and let me know if and when you want the money for copies. It is so kind of you .
thanks again
Germaine
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Mary Meadow (born 1801) married Henry Barlow 28 June 1819 at St Cuthbert's Church, North Meols
I do have all census information for them.
Mary's parents were James & Mary but that is all the information I have. Might be time for me to try and investigate further.
Anyway Germaine I really hope we find an article for you. If you do want it printed it costs 50 pence a page - that is the library charge and not ours.
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Hi Dotty Hi Jane sorry if I have put too much info down wasn't sure what to put.
I know Johns death as I have found the monumental inscription though couldn't find his grave ( not sure if it is one that has been pulled down or if I was looking in the wrong part of the cemetery.
Jane just looking at the parish reg. Do you think this is your Mary Meadows.
Baptism Mary - Jan. 3 - 1802 - d - James & Mary - Hallsall there is also a Richard - Jun. 7 - s - James & Mary - Halsall
wonder if this is Mary and James marriage
James Meadow = Mary Hodge Jun 27 1796.
Germaine
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Oh forgot yes that is fine about the cost do you want the money now or later? Don't mind paying up front even if you don't find anything so happy someone is looking for me.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: oh boy
Well what a lot of info in the few hours since I was last on the forum. Glad you have found some common ground and are happy swapping family histories.
I did miss the prog tonight...was it as good as it promised to be?
Dotty :?:
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Hi Germaine, indenture is the correct term for your document.
You may notice on your copy that the original had a cut edge? This is because all copies of a document were written on a single piece of paper/vellum/parchment or whatever and then it was cut up and the individual copies given to the people concerned as proof of the transaction. The document couldn't be faked because the pieces would only fit with each other.
In other words, it had an indented edge or edges.
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Do you know I always wondered why they were called that too. Thanks Bez. Top of the class and a gold star for you - well I would if the smilies worked but they are playing about this morning
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Alan Crosby did explain it last year as it cropped up in the "Wills and Probate" course - many early wills having a double function as they dealt with land transfers and took the place of title deeds.
This year he is doing "Title Deeds" - we did entailment on Wednesday. As everything has evolved from the Manorial System we are also (briefly) covering that. So on Wednesday he actually drew a diagram of Indentures and how they were created, just to make it clear to us.
I'm glad you both understood my verbal "diagram".
PS: I'm not sure there is a "Gold Star" in the extra emoticoms - I can't see one, anyway.
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. I have the one name extracts of St. Cuthberts and when I checked through it all found that nearly all of the Meadows are mine. took me a long time to figure and sort it but today I got a document which ties it all in. It is of an indenture? of James Meadow obtaining land to build a mill in Scarisbrick on the land of Lord Eccleston haven't read it all yet very big and all scribbly writing and in oldish English. Anway it proves what I am going to tell you of the family is right.
