Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: NEW TO THE FORUM
Hello everyone, be interested in hearing from anyone with family ties. We've discovered 9 generations so far in North Meols:
Richard Rymer (1578)
Robert Rymer (1596) & Mary Jump
Richard Rymer (1631) & Ann Thomas
Thomas Rymer (1659)
Hugh Rymer (1679) & Ellin???
Thomas Rymer (1701) & Ann?
Thomas Rymer (1741) & Elizabeth Charnley
John Rymer (1782) & Ann Barton
Thomas Rimmer (1820) & Selena?
Charles Rimmer (1853) & Ellen? Charles moved to Kirkdale Liverpool.
Sarah Rimmer (1873) married Edwin Goodwin--my great grandparents on my mother's side.
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: Re: NEW TO THE FORUM
renegade wrote:
Hello everyone, be interested in hearing from anyone with family ties. We've discovered 9 generations so far in North Meols:
John Rymer (1782) & Ann Barton
Thomas Rimmer (1820) & Selena?
Charles Rimmer (1853) & Ellen? Charles moved to Kirkdale Liverpool.
I think that you have the wrong Thomas Rimmer & Selina. His father was John Rimmer (born 1798) and his mother was Mary Howard (born 1800).
Thomas' son Charles was born in 1852 and married Catherine Hunt - they were my gr grandparents.
It could all be a coincidence, of course, as there was another Selina in Churchtown of an almost similar age and I have no idea who she might have married, but for there to be 2 Thomas Rimmer's born 1820 - I'd like to see the evidence for that as there is no baptism record for my Thomas and I worked out his parents by using the census.
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Hello Bez, thank you for the post--you may well be right... I only have an IGI individual record with no source information, re. Christening of Thomas Rimmer, 27 Feb 1820 in Church Town. Patents are recorded as being John RYMER and Ann Barton...
I don't know how my aunt connects Charles with Thomas as we don't have a birth record for Charles, just the 1881 census which records him as being 28, a carter by profession, married to Ellen with whom he had 3 children--Sarah J (8), Thomas J (6) and Margaret (4), and living in Kirkdale Liverpool.
This is obviously a different Thomas Rimmer, so perhaps he married the other Selina, but where?
Not St Cuthbert's - there are 3 Selina's in the database from 1828 onwards, starting in 1901 and none of them married a Thomas, nor even a Rimmer.
One Salina (it's on her birth certificate as that as well, but had changed by the time she died) and she married Thomas Rimmer in 1840 - my gr gr grandparents.
And one Selena who married Thomas Edwardson in 1908.
The only Selina Rimmer in the burial register is mine.
Of course the IGI is only as good as the people submitting the information and should be used with caution - I once found a non-existant Ralph for my Blundell line.
You probably want to know how I am so certain that my Thomas was the son of John Rimmer and Mary Howard when there is no baptism record? Selina (Salina) died in 1860 and on the 1861 census his sister Mary was acting as his housekeeper, so I backtracked to the 1851 census and there was only one Mary Rimmer of the right age in North Meols at that time. All the rest of the children were baptised at the Independent Chapel, but there is just no record for Thomas.
Also, my Thomas was living with an Ellen Rimmer on the 1841 census and she appears to have been his grandmother.
So your Thomas either married the other Selina or the entry in the IGI is wrong.
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Well Bez, hardly seems likely that 2 people born with the same name at the same time in the same place could also marry 2 persons of the same name!! Obviously my record train is jumping rails onto your track... Bogus IGI record? If I can find confirmation of birth and parents of Charles... Free BDM only lists 2 Charles Rimmers born 1852-53 both in Ormskirk, but those archives are far from complete... Maybe my Thomas was the one who moved to Liverpool and he met Selena here??? Even so, that both couples should call their sons "Charles" is just too much!! Something screwy going on!
Can I just add - births for that time may say Ormskirk but that is only the registration district. So anyone born in Southport would be registered as Ormskirk
Only way to find out is get the certificate
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I agree with Jane, the only way really is to get Charles' birth certificate and find out his mother's surname. My Selina (Salina) was the daughter of James Twist and Ann Hooton.
My Thomas and Selina had 8 children:
James b. 1843
John b. 1845
Martha b. 1847
Hugh b. 1850
Charles b. 1852
Thomas b. 1855
Richard b. 1857
Eliza b. 1860
Charles married Catherine Hunt and Martha married Catherine's eldest brother, Edward - a connection I only made when I found Martha's daughter (also called Selina after her grandmother) on the 1881 census living with Catherine & Edward's parents, instead of with Thomas, which is where she was on the 1871 census.
The biggest problem is that these first names crop up in each generation - Thomas had brothers called Hugh, Richard and John, plus a Peter and also 4 sisters.
I've just had a look on the Park database and that gives your Thomas but no marriage or children for him.
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