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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Searching Divorce Records Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,  
I live across the pond and don't know how to search divorce records to find out if my grandmother ever divorced her first husband in Ormskirk.  I have been to the National Archives but find it a very difficult and confusing site on which to conduct searches.  I know the code for divorce is j77 but cannot figure out how to search from online.  As usual, thank you for any assistance you can offer.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a look at TNA site. There is a list in the right hand side of the screne and one says DIVORCE

I clicked and got this page =- which really tells you what you need to know

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.u...ilyhistory/divorce/?WT.hp=Divorce

I doubt you can search online and may have to email TNA or get someone to search for you



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: TNA & Divorce Records Reply with quote

Jane,

Thank you.  I went to TNA and followed your instructions and was able to search using the surname.  I did not see my grandmother and her first husband listed in the divorce petitions, so he either died, or she never divorced him, and married my grandfather though she was still married.  What is interesting, and may be helpful to others, she and my grandfather left Canada, which was under British rule, and waited until they moved to the United States to marry, even though she was 6 months pregnant at the time.  Would the Canadian government have had access to a record of my grandmother's marriage in England, and that is why she never married again until she came to the US?  Thank you for all your help.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Pop-ups Reply with quote

To All,
I am not savvy with the computer and don't know why this ad appeared in my last post.  I find these very distracting and they have nothing to do with researching family history.  Any advice on how to eliminate these ads would be helpful.  Thank you.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kathleen, your distant cousin Ray here. I am planning to go next week to TNA (Kew) and I am happy to give it a try but I shall need clear and simple instructions!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray - if you go to one of the terminals on the first floor and do a global search (using the name) it should come up with the information you want (assuming it is there, of course);  I was looking for information about an Arthur Brandon and his trip to Argentina, but when I did a search using only his name it came up with the divorce papers - so I ordered them and was able to read the whole sorry, sordid story



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keillo

1 - I doubt the Canadians would have checked british records to see if she was married already. People seem to get away with bigamy now........and they marry in this country

2 - Sorry but the adverts mean the society can run the forum for free. If we wanted to have a forum without then we would have to pay. Which would maybe mean no forum.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Canada & Ads Reply with quote

Jane,

  Thank you for letting me know about the ads.  If they help finance the website I have no objection.  I thought it was just something invasive that I was not controlling on my end.  
  My grandmother's mystery continues, but that's much of the appeal of genealogy.  I appreciate all your help.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Visit to Kew Reply with quote

Ray,

Thank you for your kind offer.  Here is the information.  If you need anything else, please let me know.  I'm looking for record of a divorce.

Clara Green: b. 1884 Ormskirk Mar 8b 819

John Gillies: b 1882 Wigan, Greater Manchester Dec 8c 30

 married: 1902 Ormskirk Dec 8b 1329



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

Probably daft questions...but did you check if he married or died or was on any census thereafter?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: John Gillies & Clara Green Gillies divorce Reply with quote

Dotty,
Because they were not married until 1902, they did not appear together on the 1901 census.  The 1911 census isn't available yet, so I don't know whether they were still together as of that census.  The ship records from the Mauritania, October 1911, on which Clara sailed under the alias of "Clara Gray," lists Clara's closest relative as Margaret Gregory of 42 Clifford Rd, Birkdale.  However, I have no idea where her 7 year old son, William Allan Gillies, was living.  Possibly with her sister, Ada, or half-sister, Mary.  Or maybe he was with his father, John, who I have never been able to find.  Clara's sister, Margaret Gregory, left England with her family and moved to Australia within a year or so of Clara's departure.  The only information I have for John Gillies is from son, William Allan Gillies marriage certificate, which lists John Gillies, the father, as employed by Vulcan Motors in Southport in 1931.  I've never found a death date for John Henry Gillies, father, William Allan Gillies, Clara's son, or William's wife, Ann (Nan) Wright Gillies, born about 1903.



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1911 census is available online - the index is free to search but you have to pay to see the entry

http://www.1911census.co.uk/



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Mmmm... Reply with quote

I see what you mean...I shall have to ponder a bit!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: John Gillies & Clara Green Gillies divorce Reply with quote

Jane & Dotty,

Thank you.  I have been trying to narrow down my search before I spend the money to look in to the 1911 census.  There are so many options that I'm gleaning bits and pieces from the marriage & birth certificates that I sent for so that I can make an educated guess that will hopefully yield some results.[/quote]



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Yes Reply with quote

A wise decision.  I haven't dare go on findmypast yet as I'm sure I would spend a fortune.

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