Thomas Sutton and Jane Wright

NeilA · Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 13

Hi,

I'm trying to find a few "missing links", no pun intended. My great grandfather was Thomas Sutton born 18th Feb 1851 and he married Jane Wright on 8th Feb 1872 or 1873.

I have Jane's birth certificate but can't find Thomas's on BMD. Any clues? I want to find the link between Thomas and Duke Sutton. I think that I have one missing generation between John Sutton and Ann Peet and Thomas.

Can anyone help?

Jane · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

How do you know his date of birth?

I can tell you that registration of births wasn't compulsory at that time so he may have got through the net. What about a baptism?

Have you got Thomas on any census? Do the ages work out right? What age does the marriage certificate say?

And if you are local you could try calling at the registry office. They may be able to help with a birth certificate

But I'm still puzzled as to how you know the date

I have just looked the marriage up for you - march quarter 1873 Ormskirk 8b 945

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NeilA · Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 13

I happen to have a photocopy from the family bible that gives the date of birth for Thomas and Jane plus their wedding date. Plus the birth of all the kids including my grand mother.

Jane's DOB was the same as the bible entry and I have looked up the marriage and I have the same index ref as you.

PS Nice avatar Wink

Jane · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

Um well maybe the entry has the wrong date - the wrong year. Have you searched either side?

Have you tried the parish records?

And as I say I'm sure you can call into the local registry office in Southport, fill in a form and they will look. Not sure if they do a search or just look for that year

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Dotty · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Ha ha ha...

Welcome to our website and forum. Pleased to meet you.

You have an interesting family.

I can concur that should you ever meet Jane then you will know it is her...the head gear gives it away!!

She said she was looking for something racier...I'm thankful for 'small' mercies...

What a lucky chap you are having the family bible. Good luck in your searches.

TTFN

Dotty

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NeilA · Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 13

When I said I had a photocopy of the family bible I meant that is ALL I have.

My auntie ripped the pages out of the bible and sent then to my mum. This was 15 years ago since then my auntie has died and the pages have disappeared. Naturally my mum blames me for the disappearance.

I have three poor photocopies of the original.

Debs · Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Australia

Hi there,
I am researching Linaker family and I saw your message regarding the "old duke" Sutton. One of his daughters married Robert Linaker an ancestor of mine. Please see below the info I have which has the duke's children which may be of some help.
Regards Debs

Descendants of William Sutton

Generation No. 1

1. WILLIAM1 SUTTON He married ELIZABETH BLUNDELL.

Child of WILLIAM SUTTON and ELIZABETH BLUNDELL is:
2. i. WILLIAM " THE OLD DUKE "2 SUTTON, b. 05 Dec 1752; d. 1840.

Generation No. 2

2. WILLIAM " THE OLD DUKE "2 SUTTON (WILLIAM1) was born 05 Dec 1752, and died 1840. He married JANE GREGSON 20 Aug 1766 in St Cuthberts North Meols, Lancs, daughter of HUGH GREGSON and ELLEN JACKSON. She was born 21 Dec 1755, and died 1819.

Notes for WILLIAM " THE OLD DUKE " SUTTON:
William Sutton known as The Old Duke opened the first original Dukes Folly Hotel and in the nineteenth century there grew a new town

Children of WILLIAM SUTTON and JANE GREGSON are:
3. i. MARGARET (PEGGY)3 SUTTON, b. 1776, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England.
ii. JOHN SUTTON, b. 1781.
iii. ELLEN SUTTON, b. 1783.
iv. HUGH SUTTON, b. 1786.
v. JANE SUTTON, b. 30 May 1790, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Generation No. 3

3. MARGARET (PEGGY)3 SUTTON (WILLIAM " THE OLD DUKE "2, WILLIAM1) was born 1776 in Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England. She married ROBERT LINAKER 21 Oct 1798 in North Meols Lancs, son of HENRY LINAKER and JANE HOSKER. He was born 1775 in Crossens, North Meols, Lancashire, England, and died 1800.

Notes for MARGARET (PEGGY) SUTTON:
BIRTH: daughter of Duke Sutton

More About ROBERT LINAKER:
Burial: 27 Jun 1800, North Meols Lancs
Christening: 30 Jun 1775, North Meols, Lancashire, England

Children of MARGARET SUTTON and ROBERT LINAKER are:
i. JENNY4 LINAKER, b. 1798.

More About JENNY LINAKER:
Christening: 02 Dec 1798, North Meols Lancs

ii. HENRY SUTTON LINAKER, b. 1800; d. 1814.

More About HENRY SUTTON LINAKER:
Christening: 09 Feb 1800, North Meols Lancs

Dotty · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Oops...

Sorry, I assumed you were using the copies to protect the original. That will teach me to read properly.

Glad Deb got in touch. Hope you can find some common ground!

TTFN

Dotty Very Happy

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NeilA · Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 13

Debs,

Sorry for the delay but you know how things go Rolling Eyes

Thanks for the Linaker information.

I have a photocopy from a book (will have to check with my Mum) that shows the Sutton and the Gregson family trees. The Sutton one goes back to 1590 ish and the Gregson one shows the generation before Jane Gregson (my GGGG grandma!).

It differs from your version in that the father of Jane is Hugh Gregson (of Penwortham) and Ellen Hunt (not Jackson) who was his second wife. They had 8 kids including Jane born in 1755.

By the way The Old Duke and Jane were married in 1776 not 1766 maybe a typo in your posting.

If you like I can find the book again and get a better scan and email them to you. I'm not sure which source to go on now as yours differs. What was your source?

Cheers

Neil

Debs · Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Australia

Hi Neil,
A few years back a chap from Canada got in touch with me and sent me his tree Descenants of Thomae Gregson / de Longton which went back to Bef 1600. I do have the book you are talking about and have seen those trees and I see that it is Ellen Hunt in there, I have not done any deeper research as yet to confirm as I was focusing more on Linaker Line and lately life has taken over and family history has gone on the back burner. But I have just dug out the tree this chap sent me and Hugh infact had 3 wives 1. Jenet Dobson m Dec 24 1736 having 2 children 2. Mary Boond m april 19 1742 having 3 children 3. Ellen Jackson having 8 children. This chap is still alive but in his nineties (sends me a christmas card every year) & I can put you in touch if you like.
Regards Deb

Debs · Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Australia

yes the marriage date is a typo
Thanks Smile

Debs · Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Australia

Neil,
found the following on Ancestry.com
might explain the Hunt/ Jackson confusion
ID: I0132
Name: Ellen JACKSON
Sex: F
Birth: 1720
Death: 16 FEB 1816 in Churchtown , North Meols, Lan.
Event: Fact 1 (2) 10 JUN 1747 Married James Hunt
Event: Fact 2 (2) 21 SEP 1749 Widowed
Note:
In the name of God Amen
I Ellen Gregson of North Meols in the county of Lancaster being weak in body but of sound and perfect mind and memory praise to Almighty God for the same.I do for the settling of my temporal concerns publish this my last will and testament in manner following/viz/after the payments of all of my just debts funeral expenses and the charge of the probate,I give devise and bequeath unto my son Thomas Gregson the house and garden Cowslip Meadows in two parts and one half of the lythe to his and his heirs surviving my term and interest therein while the heirs do live.
I give and bequeath unto my son Stephen Gregson the house and garden where he now lives Hatchelors Meadow and one half of the Lythe.
I give and bequeath unto my son Thomas Gregson one butt lying to Mrs.Linaker on the north side,to him and his heirs surviving my term and interests therein.
Likewise unto my daughter Alice Howard the house and ground known by the name of the "undertown" to her and her heirs surviving my term and interests therein and further I give and bequeath to my daughter Alice that parcel of ground known by the name of the Crabtree Heys lying in the carr ends and the New Moss lying to Breakels Lane to her and her heirs.
Likewise I give and bequeath unto my daughter Jane Sutton the Field Heys lying aside of the new lane paying the Lords rent yearly and every year forthe estate known by the name of Scarisbrick to her and heirs surviving my term and interests therein.
Likewise I give and bequeath unto my Great grandaughter Ann Hodges the house and ground known by the name of the Lythe when she arrives to the age of twenty one years.Her father receiving the profits for the said term to her and her heirs while my term and interests therein,and likewise if my daughter Alice dies after her decease I give and bequeath unto her children which she had by her first husband John Thomason all her share during the time while my term and interest in therein,and likewise I give and bequeath to the Grand daughter of mine deceased and her heirs known by the name of Marjory Hodges the sum of forty pounds to be paid twelve months after my decease to pay the bond which I am bound for to the sick clubb,and likewise I further give and bequeath to my sons Thomas Gregson and Stephen Gregson each of them one feather bed and each of them one sheet,likewise I give and bequeath unto Peggy THomason one chest of drawers which stands in the parlour.
Likewise I give and bequeath to Ann Gregson,Ellen Gass,Jenny Linaker daughter of Robert Linaker,and Dorothy Thomason each of them one pound one shilling out of my chattels to be paid twelve months aftermy decease,likewise I give and bequeath to my daughter and daughter in law each of them one black gown.
Likewise I give and bequeath to Ellen Blundell,daughter of John Gregson,
and Ellen the daughter of Thomas Gregson,each of them one silver tablespoon,likewise I give and bequeath to Ellen the wife of Hugh Blundell the sum of fourty pounds to be paid twelve months after my decease,and lastly Igive and bequeath to my sons Thomas Gregson,Stephen Gregson,Alice Howard and Jane Sutton all my goods and chattels which I am entitled to which is not mentioned before.
Likewise I nominate constitute and appoint my sons John Gregson and Stephen Gregson Executors witness herefore I have unto set my hand seal this eleventh day of March 1811.
Signed Ellen Gregson.
The mark and seal of Ellen Gregson sealed signed and delivered by the within named Ellen Gregson as Testator hereof in presence of us who have hereunto subscribed our names in the presence of one another and in the presence of the Testator and lastly if my children fall out of disagree,
my will is that such refractory children shall be cut off with the sum of one shilling.
Signed Jenny Bond
Catherine Blundell
Richard Rimmer
THe first day of June 1816. John Gregson one of the Executors named in this will was sworn in common form. Power being reserved to Thomas Gregson and Stephen Gregson the other Executors,and he further made oath that the personal estate and effects of the Testatrix at the time of her death within the Diocese of Chester were under the value of one hundred pounds before me.
The Testatrix died 18th Feb.1816
Unwin Clarke Surrogate
Mr.Ford Probate Issued
Dated 1st June 1816

Marriage 1 James HUNT b: WFT Est. 1698-1727
Married: 10 JUN 1747
Children
Peggy Margaret HUNT b: 17 APR 1748

Marriage 2 Hugh GREGSON b: ABT. 1707 in Longton Lan.
Married: 28 JUN 1750
Children
John GREGSON b: 24 FEB 1750/51
Stephen GREGSON b: 12 JUL 1752
Anne GREGSON b: 28 APR 1754
Jane GREGSON b: 21 DEC 1755
Thomas GREGSON b: 14 MAY 1758 in North Meols, Lan.
James GREGSON b: 2 MAR 1760
Alice GREGSON b: 9 MAY 1762
Stephen GREGSON b: 19 MAY 1765

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