Sutcliffes of Tulketh Street

sutcliffe · Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 52

Am searching for information about the Sutcliffe family of Tulketh Street ,
Southport who lived there from about 1880 and had living descendents there as far as c.1990 , the last I am aware of being my uncle Denis who worked for the gas board and later as bookkeeper for the Bold hotel.
The oldest member , Isaac , was born in Accrington in 1850 and founded a family business as a marine store dealer, a rather elaborate name for what I take to be a scrap-metal business. He seems for a while to have been very successful and possibly was so affluent that he was able to lease the old tram sheds for his own use. It is said that he had a drink problem and used to hand out money to the less fortunate when returning from the pub. Apparently , after he died a number of houses in Tulketh St. and elsewhere were in the possession of various family members. Number 90 is still standing , I believe. Next to it he probably had his scrap yard.
Isaac died in 1908 and left a widow and five children. William , Anne. Mary , Richard and Elizabeth.
His wife Hannah Caroline Howard was , as the name suggests , a descendent of the numerous Howard dynasties connected with North Meols.
What intrigues me , however , is further information about Isaac , his business and children. My grandfather Richard b. 1879 d. 1955 continued the business with his brother William b. 1874 d. ?. Does anyone know for how long and how successfully?
Some other facts I know are that William married Annie Brown( b. 1879) of Birkdale in 1902. Her father Thomas came from Southport and was a joiner. He was born in 1849. I can find one child of William and Annie but alas I do not know if she lived to be an adult . Her name was also Hannah Caroline (Sutcliffe) b. 1903. Were there further children?
Elizabeth b 1873 d. 1965 married Edward Sutton in 1901 and has living descendents who I am aware of. Edward was a police inspector and also lived in Tulketh street before marrying Elizabeth.
There is also a rumour that my grandfather Richard had a lady friend after the death of his wife Emma Doonan . I would be interested to know i someone could confirm this.
The Doonans came from West Derby/ Wallasey and if anyone has contacts in this direction.please post ,too

bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Canada

Information from Seed's 1914-15 Directory indicates the Sutcliffes were still continuing the marine supply business in Isaac's name on Tulketh St.

51 Tulketh St, Sutcliffe Wm., marine store dealer

53a SUTCLIFFE ISAAC, marine store dealer and metal merchant; tel. 788

90 Sutcliffe Mrs Hannah, marine store dealer.

The bold type & telephone number in the entry for number 53a appears to indicate that the business operated from this address.

Hope this helps a little.

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SeaCopRimmer · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject:

1914-15 Street Directory:
51 Tulketh Street : Sutcliffe, W., Marine str.dlr
53a Tulketh Street : Sutcliffe, Isaac; Tel: 788
90 Tulketh Street : Mrs Hannah Sutcliffe, Marine Store Dir

1920-21:
53a Tulketh Street : Isaac Sutcliffe
88 Tulketh Street : Edward Sutton
90 Tulketh Street : Sutcliffe's Exors

Don't know what Exors are? Sorry, didn't have any more time to look further

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bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Canada

Executors??

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bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Canada

Maybe a search for the death and will of Hannah Sutcliffe will unearth more details

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sutcliffe · Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 52

Thanks for all the tips. William Sutcliffe and Annie Brown also had a child in 1903. Their address is given as 55 Tulketh street . Exors is probably short for executors and seems to be where the bulk of the family lived . As I said , I think number 90 is still standing but all the buildings on that side next to it are taken up by garage and car-sale facilities . Not sure about the fifty numbers though.
Any ideas where I can find the family wills or cemetery records for the family ? Obituary for Isaac could possibly be in the Southport Visiter , I believe it is located nearby.
Thanks again ,
Paul Sutcliffe

Jane · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject:

Bez is the one to advise re wills

Cemetery records - you can phone the local crematorium office if you know when they died
Tel: Southport(01704) 533443

Old Southport Visiters are available on film at Southport Reference Library - if you are a society member and can't get to the library I do look ups

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sutcliffe · Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 52

Yes , I am a member but unfortunately I live in Germany and only come to England about once a year. If you have the time I would be very thankful.
A couple of years ago someone advised me of the advert for Isaac´s business printed on the last page of Geoff Wright´s " Southport a Century ago ". It is included under the sub heading of " Pieces from the Papers ".
There are probably several more of this sort but I don´t know in which papers they were printed because there are no sources given . He advertises himself as a licensed marine store dealer and broker. Does anyone know what licensed meant at that time ? Secondly I know from Isaac´s marriage certificate of 1873 that he was married in the Wesleyan Chapel , Mornington road and that his occupation is listed as a broker´s assistant . What did a broker do ? Were there specific standards you had to reach to become a broker ? Has that anything to do with the licensing ?
I believe that in later years the family had a pew in the Anglican church on Lord street , but this is again hearsay from my deceased father.
Paul

Jane · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

I knew we had a member of your name but wasn't sure it was the same person

I can't answer the above but can ask in the library. If you want anything looking up please email it to me - secretary@nmfhssouthport.co.uk

I am probably going to the library on Friday and will also be in there next week. I usually visit at least once a week

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Bez · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:10 am Post subject:

bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Canada

The death of a Hannah C Sutcliffe, age 69 was registered Ormskirk March quarter of 1920, volume 8b, page 1252.

With this information a copy of the death certificate may be ordered on line at www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ for 7 pounds, payment by credit card is acceptable. The certificate will be sent by post.

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Bez · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject:

Thanks for supplying that info, Bobg - I would have had to look it up and I was too tired last night.

I think the info re obtaining Wills is also online.

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sutcliffe · Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 52

Again thanks for all the help. This is a reply to my question about the term broker and the provenance of the advert published in Geoff Wright´s book , received from Bob of Landy Publishing.( LFHHS)

"The advert referred to is not from a paper, but probably from a
directory or perhaps a bazaar handbook. Exactly which I don't know.

A broker in my view is a general dealer. he would have interests in
many fields so long as he could buy it and sell it : furniture,
ironmongery - anything."

Im still interested in the term "licensed ",though. What did you have to do to obtain a license? A registration fee or were there some kind of other qualifications and regulations ?
Interesting too is that in the 1881 census he is referred to as a marine store dealer but with the appendage " employing 2 men and 1 coster woman". A "coster" I take to be a person selling things from a handcart. Is this correct? At that time he was living in Back Virginia Street.
Paul

Dotty · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: I rememebr...

When I was a girl (last week) we had rag and bone men who would push a handcart round the streets shouting "Old iron and ragbone" and if you had an old bucket with a hole in it you'd take it out to him and he's give you a coin.

I would call them a costermonger...what does anyone else think?

Dotty

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Jane · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

Found this site listed under useful sites -

http://www.rmhh.co.uk/occup/

Coster - Peddler of fruits and vegetables

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