clockpelter
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Alice Rimmer- which is which?There are 3 Alices born in 1815 who Married in the mid 1830's.
One married a Tasker in 1837, another Married Richard Howard and a third wed Thomas Cadwell.
Prospective parents are Robert and Margaret Rimmer;William & Margaret:
John and Alice;
For those lovers of alliteration "which witch is which"? 
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Jane
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not sure you would ever know for certain but......sometimes the naming pattern of children helps. Those with son William for example (eldest son that is) is more likely to have a Grandfather William
As I say it is only a very rough guide.
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unsworth
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another thing I have noticed on my line is that fathers tended to name daughters after their mother then mothers mother then grand mothers. there are a few who changed it but about 65% didn't. says one thing about the Rimmer clan. we are traditionalists who love their kin.
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SeaCopRimmer
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About six years ago my elderly aunt told me that (with the Sea Cop Rimmers anyway) it was Grandmother who named us - and I've blamed my mother for my name for years 
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André
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Re: Alice Rimmer- which is which? | clockpelter wrote: | There are 3 Alices born in 1815 who Married in the mid 1830's.
One married a Tasker in 1837, another Married Richard Howard and a third wed Thomas Cadwell.
Prospective parents are Robert and Margaret Rimmer;William & Margaret:
John and Alice;
For those lovers of alliteration "which witch is which"? |
I'd like to know which Alice RIMMER married Henry TASKER, because Henry TASKER Junior, the son of Henry TASKER Senior and Ellen nee MILLER, is my relative.
This couple Henry and Alice TASKER had the following children:
Henry 1838,
John 1841
Thomas 1843
William 1846
Ann 1848
Ellen 1849
Richard 1852
Alice 1857
If they named four of these children after the children's grandparents, then the couples you mentioned with names Robert and Margaret fall away and John & Alice RIMMER seem the most likely parents of this Alice.
I'm also keen to find out where Ellen MILLER was born.
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Yvonne
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Well I can claim the Alice who married Richard Howard.
However there is another Alice baptised 1815 with parents Richard & Alice
According to Rootsweb ' Park'
Alice daughter of Robert & Margaret married Thomas Caldwell
Alice daughter of John & Ann married Henry Tasker.
So if that is correct I have to narrow down Richard & Alice and William & Margaret as parents.
Richard & Alice fit better with the naming patterns but saying that there is a son William who was fifth son of my Richard & Alice Howard 
Yvonne
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André
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| Yvonne wrote: | According to Rootsweb ' Park'
Alice daughter of Robert & Margaret married Thomas Caldwell
Alice daughter of John & Ann married Henry Tasker. |
If that is correct, the IGI gives my Alice RIMMER chrs.29/01/1815 North Meols (born Mill Lane), dau.of John RIMMER & Ann BARTON. The naming pattern and the ages given in the census returns fit perfectly this way. :grin:
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baxtersp
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Sorry Andre, I hadn't noticed that Joyce had attached some parents to Henry Tasker's Alice. If I've got her ancestors right it looks like she's my 3rd cousin 5 times removed. Joyce has added a marriage and death to Henry Tasker's brother John as well, I'll fill those in while I'm in the mood
Give my love to Amsterdam, I haven't been the same since I left last time. I just can't concentrate on my family tree the same way, I'm sure you know why. Only 7 weeks tomorrow until I go back, but I'm writing my little friend another letter today just so she doesn't forget about me while I'm gone.
Steve
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André
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| baxtersp wrote: | | Joyce has added a marriage and death to Henry Tasker's brother John as well, I'll fill those in while I'm in the mood |
Brother John TASKER? I only found Henry's brothers Thomas (1809-1820), Richard (1811-1890), William (1818-1882), Thomas (1822) and James (1824-1850?).
Was John TASKER then born after his brother James?
I found a marriage of Richard TASKER to Jane HALL in 1834 and a possible marriage of William TASKER to Isabella BAXENDALE in 1843. And their elder sister Mary TASKER (1806) marrying James HALSALL in 1833.
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baxtersp
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Hello Andre
Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. I meant the Henry's son not his brother - although Henry (b. 1814) also had a son named Henry (after his dad).
John Tasker born (apparently) 27th August 1841 who married Mary Ann Spencer on Christmas Day in 1862.
Hope that clears it up.
Steve
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André
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OK, that makes more sense and thanx for the exact date of birth for John and for his marriage details Steve. I found a Spencer ancestor last year, James SPENCER (marries 1742 in Ormskirk to Alice SCARISBRICK), so John's wife could perhaps be related to him.
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BrianG
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Re: Alice Rimmer- which is which? | André Blundell wrote: | I'd like to know which Alice RIMMER married Henry TASKER, because Henry TASKER Junior, the son of Henry TASKER Senior and Ellen nee MILLER, is my relative.
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Umm - interested in this one too.
Mary Tasker, Henry junior's sister is my 3xgt grandmother, if JO is right on the Park database
Brian
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André
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Re: Alice Rimmer- which is which? | bgriffiths wrote: | Mary Tasker, Henry junior's sister is my 3xgt grandmother, if JO is right on the Park database
Brian |
Do you maybe know when and where Mary died? And do you know the names of the parents of her husband James HALSALL?
I have the mother of Mary and Henry junior as Ellen MILLER. Ellen MILLER may have been born in Liverpool, daughter of William MILLER and Mary SPURSTOW, but I'm not sure whether this is correct.
André
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BrianG
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Re: Alice Rimmer- which is which? | André Blundell wrote: |
Do you maybe know when and where Mary died? And do you know the names of the parents of her husband James HALSALL?
I have the mother of Mary and Henry junior as Ellen MILLER. Ellen MILLER may have been born in Liverpool, daughter of William MILLER and Mary SPURSTOW, but I'm not sure whether this is correct.
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This line is fairly new to me, and virtually everything I have so far comes from Joyce Otterstrom's Park database. James & Mary's daughter Margery married another Halsall, Thomas, whose father was also, confusingly, called James! I have been concentrating on that side. Thomas & Margery are my gtx2 grandparents.
I know nothing of Ellen Miller, though I have a possible sighting on the 1851 census which gives a place of birth as North Meols
My best guess as to Mary's death is between 1861 and 1871, but only because I have so far not been able to find her on the 1871 census. There are 3 candidates in the BMD indexes for Ormskirk that decade.
As for James' parents again I have only Joyce's work to go on at them moment. She has the parents as James Twist and Margaret Halsall, and cites a filiation order.
Sorry I don't have much at the moment. Will let you know when I do!
Brian
(PS Where does your Blundell line come from? I have a gtx2 grandmother Blundell (Mary b1814))
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André
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Re: Alice Rimmer- which is which? | bgriffiths wrote: | | (PS Where does your Blundell line come from? I have a gtx2 grandmother Blundell (Mary b1814)) |
It comes from John Blundell (1786 Rowe - 1856) and Ann nee Wright (1788 Marshside - 1870) of Churchtown.
In 1851 they lived two houses from the Hesketh Arms in Churchtown.
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Bez
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If they are the John Blundell and Ann Wright who married on 22nd January 1811, then you and I are cousins, probably 5x removed, but cousins nonetheless.
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clockpelter
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 According to Park and IGI- The John Blundell who married Anne Wright was born in 1790- this seems to be born out by 1841 census.
The John who was born Rowe Lane in 1786 married Ellen Rymer - again seems to be born out by census. This is all getting very confusing, the only Mary named in either family was D.of John and Ellen, B.1819 D.1862 who married
Richard Howard.
I hope this helps!!
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Bez
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I have not yet taken my Blundell line back further than the marriage of John to Ann Wright. He was a butcher by trade and I do wonder if there was a relationship between him and the James Blundell who married Margery Hooton as James was also a butcher and Margery's sister, Ann Hooton, was another of my 3x gr grandmothers.
In the 1851 census John is described as a "cow doctor".
Their daughter Peggy, my 2x gr grandmother, was apparently known before her marriage as "Peggy Butcher" as she is said to have raised, killed and cured her own pork, and then gone out and sold it from the back of a cart. Certainly by the 1881 census her husband, after a lifetime of being a weaver, was calling himself a pork butcher, and later on as a retired pork butcher.
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BrianG
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| clockpelter wrote: | According to Park and IGI- The John Blundell who married Anne Wright was born in 1790- this seems to be born out by 1841 census.
The John who was born Rowe Lane in 1786 married Ellen Rymer - again seems to be born out by census. This is all getting very confusing, the only Mary named in either family was D.of John and Ellen, B.1819 D.1862 who married
Richard Howard.
I hope this helps!! |
That's what I have (admittedly from Park & IGI) John(1790)'s brother William is my gtx3 g-father. He married Margery Barton; their daughter Mary (12/1814) married Henry Jackson
Brian
we are becoming one big happy family here
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clockpelter
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Margaret B. Dtr of John and Ann wright is my 6th cuz - 3x removed
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André
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| Bez wrote: | I have not yet taken my Blundell line back further than the marriage of John to Ann Wright. He was a butcher by trade and I do wonder if there was a relationship between him and the James Blundell who married Margery Hooton as James was also a butcher and Margery's sister, Ann Hooton, was another of my 3x gr grandmothers.
In the 1851 census John is described as a "cow doctor".
Their daughter Peggy, my 2x gr grandmother, was apparently known before her marriage as "Peggy Butcher" as she is said to have raised, killed and cured her own pork, and then gone out and sold it from the back of a cart. Certainly by the 1881 census her husband, after a lifetime of being a weaver, was calling himself a pork butcher, and later on as a retired pork butcher. |
Nice anecdote cuz! :grin:
Do you know when Peggy died and on which date she married John Hunt?
I found her in the index dying Jun 1903 Ormskirk 8b 509 (87 yrs).
Was John Hunt the son of Richard Hunt & Mary Fairclough?
I figured that John Blundell (1786-1856) was the son of Robert Blundell and Alice Howard, christened on 03-03-1786 (of Rowe Lane), but maybe I guessed wrong.
One of their sons was Robert Blundell (my ancestor), who married Alice Rimmer on 25-10-1848. Robert died on 10-03-1854 of consumption (aged 28 years and 2 months) after which Alice remarried to William Johnson on 02-04-1857 (everything North Meols).
Alice died herself on 04-07-1893 in Southport, aged 72 at 139a High Park Road. She was the daughter of Peter Rimmer and Ellen Miller (Ellen was previously married to Henry Tasker).
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BrianG
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| clockpelter wrote: | According to Park and IGI- The John Blundell who married Anne Wright was born in 1790- this seems to be born out by 1841 census.
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Beginning to have some doubts now! John (1790) should appear as 50 rather than 55 in 1841 - unlikely to have got that milestone wrong! (I assume I have got the right family)
| clockpelter wrote: | | The John who was born Rowe Lane in 1786 married Ellen Rymer - again seems to be born out by census |
I can't find them on the 1841 census - can you point me in the right direction?
EDIT: OK found them (not in North Meols) - actually fits the 1790 John better (age 50!)
Brian
(PS as there's still a Rymer involved think we can just about keep it in this section??)
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Bez
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Peggy Blundell died on 13th May 1903 at her home 81 Shellfield Road, Marshside of "Senile Decay" aged 87.
She married John Hunt on 27th December 1848 at St Cuthbert's. He was the son of Edward Hunt and Catherine Barton and he died at 81 Shellfield Road on 6th March 1910, aged 90. The same doctor wrote "Senility" on his death certificate.
As I said, I haven't yet looked any further back into the Blundell's except I did ask Robin Rimmer if he had John Blundell in his book - but he said not.
One of these days I might get around to it.....
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Dotty
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What a team...Oh boy, my head is swimming with all this to-ing and fro-ing...
What a small world it is!
Dotty :grin:
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clockpelter
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I believe the 1941 Census is notorious for enumerators noting ages to within 5 years-the later censi tend to be more accurate. This would explain quite
a lot of discrepancies.
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admin
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The 1841 census rounds ages down to the nearest 5 - apart from children.
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André
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| clockpelter wrote: | | Margaret B. Dtr of John and Ann wright is my 6th cuz - 3x removed |
Whom did Margaret marry?
I have the following children in my notes:
(c=christened; d.=died; x=married)
Margaret c.01/03/1812
Jane c.20/03/1814
Peggy c.23/05/1816, d.13/05/1903 Marshside (87 yrs), x John Hunt 27/12/1848 North Meols
Alice c.10/12/1820, x Dec 1841 OR Mar 1842 OR Dec 1842
Joseph c.11/05/1823, d.Mar 1907 Ormskirk 8B 573 (84 yrs), x Isabella Wright Dec 1844 Ormskirk 21 442
Robert c.19/02/1826, d.10/03/1854 North Meols (28 yrs) , x Alice Rimmer 25/10/1848 North Meols
John c.30/07/1837
John 10 mo.in 1840, d.Mar 1844 Ormskirk 21 423 OR Mar 1850 Ormskirk 21 433;
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BrianG
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| admin wrote: | | The 1841 census rounds ages down to the nearest 5 - apart from children. |
| clockpelter wrote: | believe the 1941 Census is notorious for enumerators noting ages to within 5 years-the later censi tend to be more accurate. This would explain quite
a lot of discrepancies |
however:
The 1790 John Blundell really would have been 50
The 1786 John Blundell really would have been 55
at the time of the 1841 census!
No need for any estimating or rounding!
And the John married to Alice is 55, the John married to Ellen is 50 on the 1841 census - which suggests we might just possibly have them the wrong way round
Brian
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André
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| bgriffiths wrote: | | And the John married to Alice is 55, the John married to Ellen is 50 on the 1841 census - which suggests we might just possibly have them the wrong way round |
So I picked the right John after all? :grin:
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BrianG
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| André Blundell wrote: |
So I picked the right John after all? :grin: |
I don't know! Need to understand why Joyce O on the Park database went for those particular pairings when the 1841 census suggests otherwise. I appreciate ages on that census were often inaccurate, but in these two particular cases it is difficult to see why they should be.
Brian
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SeaCopRimmer
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Sorry to butt in boys, but I have a Robert Blundell of Roe Lane (and later of Mount Pleasant) whose daughter Catherine married Thomas Rimmer! Robert was born c.1804 and married Martha Marshall.
Any connection? Or is this just another spanner in the works?
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BrianG
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This thread will run & run....
John(1790) & William's parents were William Blundell & Mary ??.
IGI has William Blundell m Mary RIMMER 7/10/1787 Ormskirk.
Unfortunately there are no batch or film references 
Any takers for this couple?
Brian
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Bez
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| clockpelter wrote: | According to Park and IGI- The John Blundell who married Anne Wright was born in 1790- this seems to be born out by 1841 census.
The John who was born Rowe Lane in 1786 married Ellen Rymer - again seems to be born out by census. |
The problem is that there was more than one John Blundell and more than one with a birth/baptism date circa 1786.
The 1851 census gives the ages of John Blundell and Ann nee Wright as 66 and 63 respectively. This gives approximate birth years as 1785 for John and 1788 for Ann.
The same census shows another John Blundell living in Rufford Road, a few doors from St John's Church. His age is given as 64 and he is a postman with a wife called Mary. In 1861, he is a widow, his age is given as 75 (giving him a birth year of circa 1786) and his occupation is "late postman". However, if he is the John Blundell who is buried in May 1870 aged 85 years, his approximate birth year would be 1785.
The only way to really sort it out would be to look at the original registers as the early baptismal entries often gave the date of birth as well, but these were never transcribed by the Parish Register Society.
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Dotty
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Jumping on the bandwagonNot to be left out...I have a John Blundell as well but as I'm at work I don't have access to my PAF file.
When I get home I shall put his details on just to feel a part of things...
TTFN
Dotty :grin: 
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