Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterAnn Leadbetter was my great Grandmother.
She married Ro(d)ger Cobham at Trinity Church Southport 3 Aug 1850.
Her father was Robert Leadbetter a Weaver. Both Ro(d)ger and Ann were 'of full age' according to the marriage cert.
Park has given me Robert Leadbetter b 1797 weaver married to Jane Hooton. Their 5th child was Ann born 21 May 1830 but she was buried 28 Oct 1836.
Robert's household in 1841 census includes Ann Leadbetter age 8 and Hannah aged 6. 1851 still has Hannah age 18, but no Ann. I assume she was in Roger Cobham's household. Hannah Leadbetter was a witness at Roger & Ann's marriage.
At the time that their youngest child Arther - my Grandfather - was born in 1873 the family was living in Mount Street Southport.
But, I can't find Ann's birth anywhere can anyone help please?
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BrianG
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It is very strange - I have a note of the discrepancy regarding the 1841 Ann, but have not managed to explain it.
All those 1841 ages are horribly wrong for the younger children, yet so precise. Helen/Ellen is shown as 3 when she was really 6, Hannah as 6 (really 8). Ann Leadbetter is not so much of a problem if all the ages are wrong by a similar amount, she is shown as 8 but would have been 11 (ignoring her alleged death in 1836  ).
I'm beginning to think the death record must refer to another Ann Leadbetter, but although there are a couple born either side of 1830, not fit quite so exactly (prove me wrong please somebody)
I have checked the birth dates with the Dissenting Chapel registers and there is no doubt Park has those right. There is no Ann Leadbetter christened there around 1833, so I think the family must have been arithmetically challenged when they did the 1841 census.
Which would just leave the question - whose daughter died in 1836?
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Bez
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As Hannah Leadbetter was a witness at her sister's wedding, then clearly Ann did not die in 1836 and that must have been someone else's child. There is another burial for an Ann Leadbetter (infant) of Churchtown in 1838, so there were a number of families around.
As Brian has pointed out, there were a number of discrepancies with the children's ages and the parents may have just become confused - you can be confident that the baptism recorded at the Independent Chapel in 1830 was for your great grandmother.
The first Sunday School register for Churchtown Congregational Church (formerly the Independent Chapel, now the URC) dates from 1845 and lists all the children (and adults) attending at that time.
Entry number 2 for the girls is as follows:
Ann Leadbeater age 14. Name of father: Robert Leadbeater. Address: Chase Heyes. Remarks: Married & left 1850.
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BrianG
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Re: Ann Leadbetter | Barbara Cawker wrote: | | 1851 still has Hannah age 18, but no Ann. I assume she was in Roger Cobham's household. |
Yes - if you are using Ancestry they are indexed as CUBHAM (in fact the original looks like Cubham as well)
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterThank you so much for your helpful responses. That's wonderful.
Ann died 4 April 1926 aged 97 so that matches her May 1830 birth. She is buried in Duke Street Cemetery.
Thanks too for the CUBHAM tip, no wonder I lost them.
Now I can be confident she is my Gt Grandmother my Family Tree takes on lots more North Meols branches.
Thank you, thank you for helping to move me on. You are such a knowledgeable lot.
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BrianG
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I have a distant connection to Ann Leadbetter (a 4th cousin 4x removed, if everything stacks up). I imagine most of the forum members could find a connection somewhere  We are just one big happy family
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Jane
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Barbara have you got her funeral report - if there is one that is - from the local papers? I would imagine dying at that age there would have been a good write up that may contain some useful family information
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterNo funeral report - yet. I'm coming to Southport for a few days from 21 September and had already planned to look at the Visiter from 1938 onwards for something about one of the 'black sheep' on another branch of my tree.
I'll certainly look for Ann's funeral report too - hadn't thought of that - thanks for the prompt.
Thanks to Park I now find I've lots of ancestors buried at St Cuthberts so I'm planning to spend time in the churchyard looking them up.
I've seen a posting about some local members being willing to help ahead of visits like mine to save fruitless time wasting.
Unfortunately I can't stay until the Open Day on 26th, but it would be great to meet up with someone at St Cuthberts who could lead me in the right direction.
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Dotty
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Grave yardsI'm sure that can be arranged Barbara.
Shame about open day...
Dotty 
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SeaCopRimmer
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I could meet up with you Barbara - if you let me have the names/dates beforehand it could save time on the day? pm me
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Dotty
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GoodyGood hunting... 
Dotty 
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Jane
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I have already arranged to meet Barbara. Hopefully we should find something to help 
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Dotty
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Lucky lady...I'm sure Barbara will be so pleased she came onto our website and forum...
Dotty 
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterI am indeed. I've had such a positive response to my planned visit and am looking forward to meeting some of you. I really feel I'll be heading home to my extended family in North Meols.
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterWell I got to Southport and enjoyed meeting some of the Forum members - thanks for your help with my searches.
Found a full report of Ann's funeral in the Southport Visiter of April 1926. She'd passed away in her 98th year and it said "she was reputed to be Southport's oldest native inhabitant."
It also mentioned she was the mother of Mr Alfred Cobham, Southport's honorary M.A.
I also found the report of the tragically sudden death of Ann's son Arthur, my Grandfather, who died in 1922. He was working for Messrs Morris Brothers as a painter and decorator when he suffered a heart attach at work. The Visiter report said
"He is the brother of Mr Alfred Cobham and belongs to an old Southport family." So, my search for Alfred began.
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Jane
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Glad you had a productuive visit. Now you must keep us up to date on Alfred Cobham
I wonder what an honorary MA was? - its okay. you've started a thread for him and explained
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bobg
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The Seed's Southport 1914-15 Directory shows the following:
Cobham Alfred, signwriter & decorator, 4 East St.
Cobham Mrs. Ann, 105 Virginia St.
Cobham A., painter, 146 Upper Aughton Rd.
Cobham Mrs. Mary, 26 Upper Aughton Rd.
Cobham Rd, watchman, 44 Old Park Lane.
Cobham A. is most probably Arthur.
Barbara, hope this helps in your research.
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BrianG
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I have Alfred's family through to 1911 (6 children) plus a couple of grandchildren. He died in 1930, aged 73 [EDIT - but you already know that - just read the posting on the Alfred Cobham thread  ]
Coincidentally I was recently contacted by two Cobham descendants on Genesreunited. One is the grandson of Annie Cobham, sister of Arthur & Alfred, and was asking exactly the same questions that started this thread off. The other is descended from Roger Cobham's brother Thurston Cobham, who amazingly also married a relative of mine, Alice Halsall.
I pointed both of them to this thread as they must be fairly close cousins to you, Barbara. Maybe they will get in touch.
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterThanks bobg. Yes, 146 Upper Aughton Road was where Ann's son Arthur lived. His widow, my Granny, continued to live there until the 1940's. It was my home too when I was born.
Interested to learn of the descendants on Genesreunited Brian. Perhaps they'll get in touch.
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chrisrob
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Ann Cobham (nee Leadbetter)Having been pointed to this site by Brian G, I was delighted to learn of the conclusions reached by a number of obviously very wise people. This has been a thorn in my side for over 2 years, and I am happy that it has now reached a conclusion.
I am also delighted to have learned that I have a second cousin in North Devon. Hello Barbara, I would love to hear from you.
Does anyone who took part in this discussion have any information on what happened to Edwin Walter Cobham b. 1864 to Roger & Ann? He appears on the 1881 census, but after that vanishes
Chris.
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Barbara Cawker
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Ann LeadbetterGlad you've joined the forum Chris and good to know we're related.
I don't have anything on Ann's son Edwin after 1881 either, nor do I know what happened to William b abt 1851, Jane b abt 1853 or Sarah b abt 1865.
Perhaps someone can help.
Meantime I've sent you a pm
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