SeaCopRimmer
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Annals of Southport - 867 to 1902Have just acquired, via e-Bay, the Annals of Southport 867 to 1902 on CD! Have tested it and it's working and is a later version than the battered book I have (c.1887). Also included on the CD are:
The Blackpool Times Fylde Year Book 1911
Blackpool Advertisements 1911-1915
Blackpool & District Events 1910-1914
Fylde Coast Deaths 1910-1914
Places visited in Lancashie by Anthony Hewitson 1875
Photographic Advertisements 1902
Blackpool & District Map
The Fylde Coast Slide Show
Victorian Blackpool Slide Show
If anybody is interested I can look up anything?
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HodgePodge
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How much reference information is available on this? I ask because if it's a good reference resource I might consider buying it myself. I'm primarily interested in anything that gives personal/family info on folk, rather than simply town history... especially anything that predates the census & BMD.
At the moment, my main focus is Birkdale 1799-1841... though as this wasn't part of Southport at the time, it might not be included... but I am also interested in anything that can give me more info on my numerous lines originating in North Meols.
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SeaCopRimmer
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There is a lot of references to 'people', usually if they were on the Council, did things of (minor) importance, got into the Courts, etc. Thing to remember about Birkdale is that although, as you say, it was a town in its own right, many parts of today's Birkdale were part of Southport. Give me a name/place and I'll look it up and get back to you - several Hodge are mentioned (Charles, Henry, Hugh, Johm, William) and Hodges (Betty, Henry, John, Peter, William) - could be one or two of yours?
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HodgePodge
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Well, to be honest.... all of them... as pretty much every Hodge is placed in the tree (all descended from one Tudor couple). Betty/William etc are of interest, as my GGG grandfather's uncle, for whom he worked was William, married to Betty with children Henry, William, John, Peter, Robert, Nanny, Betty.... I think the reference you have may be about the lease of 1799 which was rewritten after the sons Henry William and John were drowned. Peter and Betty were named on the new lease. I have a transcritiption of the replacement lease somewhere, but limited details on the first of them.
Though local research doesn't acknowledge it, I've recently discovered that Charles Hodge, Coxwain of the Eliza Fernley was William and Betty's grandson, through a younger son Richard previously unknown, who is named on a farm lease of 1807 (and his death date noted on the lease which corresponds exactly to that of Charles' father of Upper King St). I believe that will be the Charles Hodge you mention.
I'm also interested in Anne Marshall, transported to America for stealing 22 shillings in the 1740's, the sentence being deferred until she had given birth to my GGGG grandfather, James.
Also anything that relates to William & Dorothy Hodges c1580-1639 and their children Roger & William who also died 1639 and the surviving offspring Thomas, Hugh, Ellin & Elizabeth (though they don't seem to be listed there). I'm particularly interested in any local/family crisis that led to their deaths in Spring 1639 but left other families intact (ie only 2 Rimmer deaths the same year, yet half the Hodges were wiped out!).
Sorry.... that's a lot.... I don;t think there will be anything to clear up the latter puzzle, but the Hodges batch you have I believe is Uncle William and family, Charles & Henry will relate to the Eliza Fernley disaster.
Many thanks
Hodgepodge
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Jane
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Can I ask how do you know they were all descended from one Tudor couple? I don't think anyone can be that sure about anything - especially that far back!
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HodgePodge
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In births marriages and deaths at St Cuthberts there are only records for the one nuclear family, that of William and Dorothy. The only court records (non-attendance at church and brawling with Thomas Rimmer) and Hearth Tax returns also list only the known family of William and Dorothy.
There are no records relating to any Hodge not known to belong to this couple.
Thomas Hodges' birth is not listed, but clues from his children and his inheritance of the Rowe Lane smallholding establish him as William's son.
There may have been some Hodges unrecorded of whom we don't know, who don't appear to have had any children bearning the surname, but all known Hodges in the area can be directly linked back to William and Dorothy.
In the case of the Hodge family, we were fortunate in that the commonwealth period didn't lose us much data, because of a lucky break in generations.
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deverick
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Hello seacoprimmer
Your CD sounds interesting, and thanks for the offer of lookups. I'm interested in the Fylde coast deaths as I've just discovered that my Amy Hull died in Fylde in Jun qtr 1913 aged 88. I know Amy had a lodging house at 25 St David St, St Annes on the sea in 1901. I don't know what details it contains, but if it has anything to add to this, I'd love to hear.
TIA
Janice
New Zealand
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SeaCopRimmer
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The only reference to Hull I can find is:
Deaths:
25.09.1914 Lawrence Hull (aged 60) Butcher of Blackpool; buried 28.09.1914 at Blackpool Cemetery
Not sure if he was one of yours?
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deverick
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Hello SeaCop
Thanks very much for looking. As far as I know Lawrence isn't one of mine. Mine came from Salford (and before that Dorset via London). They didn't arrive in St Anne's until sometime between 1896 & 1901, so not many of the Hull's in Fylde are mine, only Amy and her children.
Janice
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Dotty
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Maybe...Hi Seacop
My g-grandmother Jenny RIGBY died aged 32 in June 1909 in Liverpool womens Hospital. Do you think your CD would have anything on about her? She'd had a caesarian and died of blood poisoning but no-one knows what happened to the baby.
Dotty 
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HodgePodge
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I may be risking stating the obvious here, but have you checked the BMD index for any clues. I notice that Jenny's death was registered in West Derby district, so this suggests the likelihood that the baby was also registered there. In FreeBMD there are 7 Rigby births registered in West Derby: Catherine, Elizabeth Mary, Ethel Sylvia, Julia, Maria, William & Winifred. I can see no deaths in the same year for children under 1 in West Derby.
Do you know the name of the child?
If the family were unable to support the child without the mother, have you explored the possibility of adoption?
If this were the case, I'm afraid I have no experience of tracking down adoption certificates, but I'm sure others would know the procedure.
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Jane
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If the baby had been stillborn then the death/birth wouldn't be registered.
Dotty have you any idea of where she was buried? The baby may have been buried with her.
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HodgePodge
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Yes, stillbirth registration didn't come in until 1927. With the address of the informant, you may get a clue to place of burial
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Dotty
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More newsJenny was buried in St Cuthberts and is buried with her mother, father and sister but there is no mention on the MI about a baby.
My mother never said anything about her grandmother dying after having a baby and her grandfather married again pretty sharpish as he had four children to bring up and the youngest was 18mo. I've just assumed the baby died after a long labour as the death cert says there was a fibroid blocking the womb and there was an emergency CS which led to septicaemia (blood poisoning).
I guess that's why I wondered if there was anything written in a paper about her death as I think it was a tragedy but times were hard in those days...
Thanks HodgePodgeI never thought of the possibility of a live birth and so glad that you brought to my attention the fact that the birth would have been registered in West Derby too. None of those names ring any bells in my family history. I think I must get in touch with my second cousins to see if any of them know anything...
Watch this space!
Dotty
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HodgePodge
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It's certainly worth considering, remembering that the baby would've naturally been fed by the mother... a father may be able to find relatives to help with caring for weaned children, but much harder in the case of a newborn.
If she was a southport woman, then maybe there was a death notice that gave some information.
Alternatively, if the baby was stillborn, it may have been buried with the mother and not marked on the stone (if stillborn children weren't registered, then I'm guessing it was uncommon, and possibly not allowed, for them to be buried with all the normal ceremony).
Hospital records must have the details, if they still exist... though the 100 year rule might apply to those.
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Jane
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I doubt there will be a death notice but because of the tragic circumstances you never know. I shall make a note and look the next time I am in the library Dotty.
You obviously have a copy of the death certificate - any mention of an inquest? If there was then that may have been reported in the paper.
My husband's Grandmother died in 1919 as a result of child birth. Although there is no headstone when I phoned the crem for details of the grave I was told the baby's name and that he was also buried in the grave - but this is Duke Street and not a church yard. An elderly Aunt who was alive at the time never knew the sex of the baby never mind his name so it was nice to be able to tell her she had had a brother.
There may be something in the actual burial register so that may be worth checking. Wish you'd said last week - I was at Preston and could have checked. Never mind.
The only way to find if one of the birth's was this baby though would be to send for the certificate and although you have the names of the parents it would still cost you to be told none of them were yours.
Oh this family history is fun..... 
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Bez
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I think you may find that hospital records are destroyed 3 years after a death.
I see she was buried on the 9th June 1909. There is no burial listed for a child either at the same time or later. She lived in High Park Road.
If there was an inquest the death would have been registered by the coroner and he would be the informant on the death certificate.
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Bez
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PS. Those 7 births registered at West Derby. If you write to Liverpool Register Office with the name of one and give the names of both parents and their last known address (High Park Road), then the Registrar will return your cheque to you with a letter if the child doesn't match the parents. You then do the same with name number 2.........
Have you checked births registered at Ormskirk? While deaths are usually registered in the locality where they occurred, I'm not sure about births because you have 42 days in which to do it.
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Dotty
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Now I know...Hi folks
Now I know what it's like to be the centre of attention. Thank you for all your suggestions. I'm reading this at work so will have to wait to get home and check the death cert but I don't remember a mention of a coroner but I'm not called Dotty for nothing and I will check.
Before I got the death cert I asked my mother why her granny had died so young and she didn't know. She only remembered her step-gran who was always treated as her gran. When I worked at Mullards in Crossens g.gran lived right opposite. I used to see her in the garden but I wouldn't go and see her. My mother never went to see her so I wouldn't...how I wish I had...what a wasted opportunity!
Dotty 
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Bez
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Look at the name of the informant - if it's the coroner it will say so.
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Dotty
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Death certI forgot to look at the informant but in the cause of death section it is described and mentions a 'W. R. Pierce MB' does that mean anything to anyone?
Shall I bring it to tonight's meeting for perusal?
Dotty  
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Jane
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Obviously a doctor. Bring it along tonight Dotty and I'm sure others will give you suggestions of where to go next
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Dotty
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OKMorning Jane
I wondered about the 'MB' bit because doctors are usually 'MD', I think. Definitely will bring it tonight.
Dotty 
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Jane
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Medicinae Baccalaureus (Bachelor of Medicine)
Looked it up 
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Dotty
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You're a star...Thanks Jane. I'm sure Bez would have had some input eventually. I think I am a 'baby' when it comes to family history...I know nothing!
I've asked bobg to look the doc up. I'm assuming it is a man. Anyway can't wait for later.
See you later,
Dotty 
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Bez
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Re: You're a star... | Dotty wrote: | Thanks Jane. I'm sure Bez would have had some input eventually. I think I am a 'baby' when it comes to family history...I know nothing!
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Yes, indeed, I would have said Bachelor of Medicine, as opposed to MD which is Doctor of Medicine.
Incidentally - the initials BM also stand for Bachelor of Medicine but specifically from Oxford Uni.
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Dotty
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Ah ha....I knew you wouldn't let me down Bez.
Am bringing the death cert tonight for perusal.
TTFN
Dotty :grin:
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Gill1
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Hi
Would you hold any info on the Woodroofe family or Aspey families, late 1800s early to mid 1900s.
Gill
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