Are these buildings still standing?

Bobbie1545 · Are these buildings still standing?

Hi folks:

I will be visiting Southport at the end of May and would like to visit the following places where my Spencer relatives either lived or worked. Can anyone kindly tell me if the buildings are still standing.

1. 7 Union Street - where Thomas Spencer (b.1857) lived with his family.
2. Zion Baptist Church on St. Luke's Road - Richard Spencer (b1833) was a founder.
3. 25 Mount St. - again where Thomas lived
4. Where on Botanic Road is St. Cuthberts Church - Rev. John Mawdesley is in my family line.
5. Where on Duke St. is the plaque for William Sutton, the Old Duke.

If anyone can help me out, it might save me precious time running around to find that these place are no long exist.

Thanks so much for any help.

Cheers, Bobbie

Jane

4 - St Cuthbert's Church is next to The Hesketh Pub

5 - It is at the end of Lord Street - there is a roundabout and walking from town the plaque is on the wall on the left

Not sure about the other buildings you ask about but you could go on Google maps. Look at Satellite and you might get an idea of Southport

Dotty · Southport look see...

Hi bobbie

I have Spencers in my family history...we may be related. I shall have a look for you this weekend when I'm not at work.

Maybe someone will do it quicker!

Dotty

Bobbie1545

Thanks for the replies, Jane and Dotty.

Yes, Dotty, we are related! Jenny Spencer's grandfather, Thomas Spencer, (b.1811) is a younger brother to my ancestor, William Spencer, (b.1806). William is my 3xgrandfather. We have messaged previously, but I have just recently followed back through the lines to make the connection.

I winter in Mexico so don't get to do much research while I am away. Thanks for your help with the buildings.

Cheers, Bobbie

SeaCopRimmer

1. 7 Union Street - where Thomas Spencer (b.1857) lived with his family.
2. Zion Baptist Church on St. Luke's Road - Richard Spencer (b1833) was a founder.
3. 25 Mount St. - again where Thomas lived
4. Where on Botanic Road is St. Cuthberts Church - Rev. John Mawdesley is in my family line.
5. Where on Duke St. is the plaque for William Sutton, the Old Duke.

1. Union Street is still there so presumably No.7 will be (although if the numbers have been changed.............)!
2. Not sure about this one but I'll check next time I drive down there or go into the Library
3. I'm almost sure this one is still there
4. Jane already answered
5. Answer already given

When are you leaving home and how long will you be in North Meols? Maybe you could meet up with some of us? Let us know

Take care
SeaCopRimmer

BrianG

Hi Bobbie
We've met on GenesReunited. Tom, Joyce & I have done quite a bit more work on these Spencer / Tasker / Meadow / Barton families; plus I have just (I think) brought in a whole new Tabron (Tabourn etc) connection if the marriage I have for Betty Spencer (b1885) is right. This Tabourn family also marries into my Jackson & Threlfall families. Very complicated

Dotty - this must mean we are related :grin: Thomas Spencer (1811)'s wife is Jenny Halsall, my 4xgreat aunt; her brother James is my 3x great grandfather

Bobbie hope you have a good visit

Brian

Dotty · Family

WOW...I have family...

Yes, we must meet up bobbie...any excuse for luncheon!

I knew that there were Bartons in there because I bought a Barton ONE.

Working fulltime has put a real crimp in my family history searching. Do you recommend GenesReunited then? I really must join more organisations then, if I'm lucky, someone else will have already done the work!!

Is that cheeky or what...

Dotty (definitely)

Bobbie1545

Hi again Brian: Many researchers for North Meols are very grateful for all the work you and Joyce have done in this are.

Thanks SeaCop for the info on the buildings. I'll take a look around when there.

Dotty - would love to meet you, sometime, some place. I arrive in Southport sometime on the 28th. My cousin is driving us over from Heywood, near Manchester. She is going to drive us around abit - out to St. Cuthberts for sure. Then she will leave us there and go home. I think we are booked into "Duke's Folly" hotel - I had thought we were in a B&B on Bath Street, but they have emailed to say that they had a computer glitch and there is "no room at the inn". Anyway, I think Duke's Folly will be good as he (The Duke) is way back there in my line too.

On the 29th, two new cousins (met through Genes) are picking us up at noon and taking us to Hesketh Arms for lunch then to the Botanic Gardens, then to the Duke St. Cemetary to the the Lifeboat Disaster Memorial. I think they have the day just about filled.

What about on Friday? We are catching the bus back to Heywood then but we could go after lunch, just as easily as before. If Friday lunch doesn't work, maybe after dinner or something on Wednesday or Thursday. Let me know if we could work something out.

I can't praise Genes Reunited enough - it takes some work to post your tree and I've found that the more names you post, the better chance you have of finding a "hot match". That's were most of my connections have come from.

SeaCopRimmer

Sounds as if you are going to have a busy few days - don't forget the Fog Bell though (down Marshside Road on the right just before you get to the bank (a slight hillock); don't want to interfere with your plans but I would suggest the Bold for a lunch rather than the Hesketh - would other 'locals' agree with my thought?

Bez

Hi Bobbie

I wouldn't mind meeting up with you and Dotty if at all possible - I have just been re-reading the previous posts and you and I are related through John Hooton and Ellen Aughton.

Zion Methodist Church was closed in 1984 and the building was sold - I have no idea if it is still there or not.

If you have any particular grave you want to try and find in St Cuthbert's, let me know and I'll see if it can be located.

Bez

Bobbie1545

Hi Bez:

Would love to meet with you and Dotty - that's one of the reasons I am coming to Southport - to meet all the new rellies I have found through this forum and Genes Reunited.

I will be arriving sometime on the afternoon of the 28th of May - my cousin is driving us over. The two Genes cousins have pretty well taken care of the afternoon of the 29th. The evening of the 28th and 29th are clear as is the morning of the 29th and the morning of the 30th.

Could you and Dotty figure out a time that works for you within the times I have mentioned and then let me know. It looks like I will be staying at the Duke's Folly hotel - I hope it's not too far from the centre of town. If it is, could you let me know and I'll see what else I can come up with.

What or where is "Fog Bell"? And where is the "Bold"? It has been suggested as a place to eat. I think I have to stick with the Hesketh Arms for the Thursday lunch as that is what Jeremy has organized. Perhaps that is someplace you and Dotty and I could meet - the Bold, that is.

This is so exciting - I can hardly wait!!

Cheers, Bobbie

Yvonne

Bobbie,

Dukes Folly Hotel isn't far from the centre of town, about 5-10mins depending how fast you walk and how many shop windows you stop to look in

as it is just round the corner from the the start of the shopping area of Lord Street.

The Bold is opposite the Hesketh in Churchtown, very close to St Cuthbert's. You can sit outside the Hesketh and to the right is the Church and in front is the Bold.

Yvonne

Bez

The Bold is opposite the Hesketh - with St Cuthbert's in the middle.

The Fog Bell is now on Marshside Road. The original Fog Bell was erected in May 1869 with money raised by The Marshside Calamity Fund and was situated way out on the marshes. It's purpose was to guide the shrimpers home in the event of fog and it did save lives, even in such a remote location. It was later moved closer to the shore as it was a long way out and must have been very hard to get to in a fog. The Marshside Calamity occurred in the January when 7 men out "putting" for shrimps drowned, being unable to find the shore when a thick fog descended. The Fund lasted for 20 years and provided support for the widows and children.

I assume that Jeremy is the same Jeremy who was posting last year about Zion Chapel and who is also a Hooton descendant, albeit a Spencer one? We probably all have a lot to talk about.

Jane

The Duke's folly is the far end of Lord Street. But not far to walk into town.

I too would have said The Bold - it is on the opposite corner to The Hesketh. The Hesketh was where the society used to meet. Then it was taken over by a different company and changed completely.

These may help bobbie

http://www.dukesfolly.co.uk/index1.htm

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/86/8611/Hesketh_Arms/Churchtown

http://www.northmeols.merseyside.org/main/fogbell.htm

Bobbie1545

Thanks everyone for all the responses.

Bez: I forgot to mention the graves I am looking for: Rev. John Mawdesley - d. 1814; Henry Mawdesley - d. 1847; John Mawdesley - ?, the one who married Hannah Halsall; Hannah Halsall - ?; Thomas Halsall - ? I think most of my Spencers will be found in the Duke St. Cemetery but I don't really know. Anyway, even if I find one or two of them, I'll be happy.

Looking forward to meeting as many of you as I can.

Cheers, Bobbie

PS If any of you had your druthers, which would you pick? the Duke's Folly Hotel or the Norwood Guest House on Bath St. Since I know neither of them, I am at a loss. Keep in mind that I will be walking most places, so the one that is most central would be best. Thanks for your input!

Yvonne

Bath Street is between the Promenade and Lord Street. It is more central to town than Dukes Folly, being that (the Guest House) is a few minutes away from the Cenotaph.

The Dukes Hotel is probably alot larger than the Guest house.

Jane

Link for The Norwood - http://www.thenorwood.com/

A little more central but both are close to Lord Street, shops, bus stops etc

I have looked and if you click - where are we - there is a small map. On the left of the map - Lord Street is a blue i that is about where The Dukes Folly is

baxtersp

This is the only one I've found so far, Henry Mawdesley's grave. I think he married my 4th great grandaunt Elizabeth Johnson.

Bobbie1545

Wow, thanks Steve.

Yes, his first wife was Elizabeth Johnson, she died young in 1831, possibly in childbirth - they had three children - Jane, (1827),John (1829) and Robert (1831). He then married Jane Kenyon and they had three children together - Martha, Margaret and Betsey.

thanks for the pic.

Cheers, Bobbie

SeaCopRimmer

On the left of the map - Lord Street is a blue i that is about where The Dukes Folly is
The blue i on the map is The Tourist Information Office on the junction of Lord Street/Eastbank Street, where the Library is (the Reference Section is very useful for local information) - Duke Street is further south off Lord Street; I would think Duke's Folly would be quieter than Bath Street but either hotel would be very central.

Jane

Whoops

Lord Street is so long! But I'm sure Bobbie has some idea where things are now.

For anyone who wants a better look go here - http://maps.live.com/

And type in Southport. Then Birds Eye View
It actually brings you onto Lord Street

http://maps.live.com/#JndoZXJlMT1...wNzQyJTdlLTguNTQ3MzYzMjgxMjQ5OTg=

Bez

There are locations in our database so far for 3 Henry's and a John. Unfortunately there is no transcription for any of these, nor is there a location for Hannah.

I could make either the Thursday or the Friday, but Friday is better.

Dotty · 4d.

Hello folks

I'm off on Wednesday but at work all day until 8pm on Thursday.

Then am off Friday morning but am at work at 2pm.

We will get to meet Bobbie even if Bez and I have to see you separately.

What a busy trip to Southport you'll have...

TTFN

Dotty

Bez

Dotty - I am doing the coffee for the mums at the Mums and Tots group at the URC from 10am to about 11.30am Friday, so I am half-way to St Cuthbert's anyway. If you want to arrange to meet with Bobbie before that time, I will just come and join you as soon as I'm free.

How does that sound?

Dotty · OK

It sounds good to me...what about you Bobbie?

Bobbie1545

Sounds good to me - you pick a place to meet for lunch on Friday, the 30th and let me know. I'll be there.

Cheers, Bobbie

PS the Hannal Halsall I mentioned was married to a Mawdesley so it would be Hannah Mawdesley's that grave that I would be looking. Thomas Halsall would be her father and so his grave also.

Bobbie1545

PS

Don't forget I will be on foot so it should be someplace that I can get to from the Norwood Guest House in a reasonable amount of time, especially is the weather happens to be inclement.

Cheers, Bobbie

Dotty · Lunch

It's in my diary...looking forward to it already!

Dotty

Bez

Jane

Only one Mawdsley buried Chruist Church - Henry aged 4 months died 1864

Dotty · Mawdesley/Mawdsley burials

Maybe she was buried where she died. If bobbie knows where the death was registered maybe she was laid to rest near there? It's only an idea... someone's prolly thought about it already!

Dotty

Bez

Zion methodist building still seems to be there on St Luke's Road.

Are these buildings still standing?

Southport look see...

Family

4d.

OK

Lunch

Mawdesley/Mawdsley burials