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| HOLLY |
ARTHUR ALTYHi, I'm new to this Forum so please be kind to me! I'm clutching at straws in the hope that someone can help before I go buying Certs - so here's my query - Arthur ALTY B.1873 married Elizabeth HODGE in 1896 -I have Arthurs dad as being Richard and Mum Alice, I'm assuming her maiden name to be BALL. I have been reading all the past posts on this site and can see that the name Ball is quite a common one - so - on that basis I'm just hoping someone out there has a comon interest - any help greatly appreciated - HOLLY P.S It's the ALTY line I'm interested in !! |
| SeaCopRimmer |
Hi Holly - and welcome to the best forum on the web! I'm sure somebody will be along shortly to help you - the main thing to remember is not to order a certificate until you are sure it's the one you really want - good hunting 
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| Jane |
Welcome Holly. I'm sure you will get lots of help on here.
A few thoughts - Don't assume anything, always try and get proof and certificates are a good way (but yes make sure its the right one before paying out) & always try and check any information you are given Good hunting 
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| sooner |
Marriages Jun 1872
Alty Richard Ormskirk 8b 1083 Ball Alice Ormskirk 8b 1083 1881 England Census Household Members: Reginald Aspinwall 46 Hannah Aspinwall 33 John Aspinwall 14 Charles Aspinwall 11 Elizabeth Aspinwall 9 Mary Aspinwall 5 Richard Alty 38 Mason, 96 Lorne St, born: Southport Alice Alty 40 born: Southport Richard Alty 12 born: Southport Arthur Alty 8 born: Southport Ann E. Alty 4 born: Southport Peter Alty 1 born: Southport Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3752; Folio: 84; Page: 29; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341898. Marriages Sep 1870 ALTY Richard Ormskirk 8b 954 Kinsley Ann Ormskirk 8b 954 1871 England Census Civil Parish: North Meols Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Household Members: Name Age Richard Alty 24 poulterers assistant Anne Alty 26 born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Rose Kinsley 35 sister born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3874; Folio: 32; Page: 1; GSU roll: 842030 Marriages Mar 1839 ABRAM Anne Ormskirk 21 308 ALTY Richard Ormskirk 21 308 1851 England Census Name: Richard Ally [Richard Alty] Where born: North Meols, Lancashire, England Household Members: Name Age Anne Ally 35 Joseph Ally 11 Thomas Ally 9 Anne Alty 7 Richard Ally 7 William Ally 5 William Ally 2 Nancy Ally 15 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2196; Folio: 592; Page: 46; GSU roll: 87205. 1841 England Census Street address:??uttering lane Household Members: Name Age Richard Alty 30 ag labourer Ann Alty 25 Joseph Alty 1 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 514; Book: 3; Civil Parish: North Meols; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 45; Page: 26; Line: 3; GSU roll: 306902. |
| Dotty |
Oooo...The street address for 1841 is Snuttering Lane.Dotty 
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| Yvonne |
This looks like the family of Arthur in 1911 cenus
ALTY AUTHAR M 1876 35 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY ADA F 1906 5 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY ALICE F 1899 12 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY ELLEN F 1877 34 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY ELLEN F 1908 3 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY LIZZIE F 1910 1 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY PETER M 1903 8 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY RICHARD M 1901 10 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY WILLIAM M 1898 13 Ormskirk Lancashire ALTY THOMES M 1840 71 Ormskirk Lancashire Sure I came across Arthur and Elizabeth Hodge the other day but cannot find anything now 
Some Alty's used to have the donkeys on the beach. Their farm was in Moss Road, now Dovehaven. Came across a picture of two of the daughters the other day,(from what I can remember it's them), one was Christine, cannot remember the other. Went to school with their brother Peter???. Always remember going to a party there and bobbing for apples. 
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| Yvonne |
This is off Park
marriage 1839 Marriage solemnized in the Parish Church in the Parish of North Meols in the County of Lancaster No. 39 March 11th Richard Alty age 29 Bachelor Labourer Snuttering Lane (father) Joseph Alty Labourer Anne Abraham 21 Spinster Snuttering Lane (father) Thomas Abram Labourer Married in the Parish Church of North Meols according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church ... This Marriage was solemnized between us, Richard x (his mark) Alty Anne x (her mark) Abram in the presence of us, Robert x (his mark) Ab... Isabella x (her mark) Rimmer Works out Ann daughter of Thomas was my 4th gt grandaunt. Richard Alty son of Joseph and Ann Abram c 1786 so Richard and Ann were 1st cousins Thomas & Ann were brother and sister |
| bobg |
In the Southport Street Directory of 1914-15 there were the following Altys:
Alfred Alty, 6 Shaftesbury Ave Alf Alty, plasterer, 217 Susex Rd Arthur Alty, fish hawker, 45 Guilford Rd Mrs Betty Alty, 56 Shellfield Rd Mrs Catheirne Alty, 45 Shakespere St Jas. Alty, stoker, 52 Cardigan Rd J. Alty, painter, plumber, chimney sweeper, etc., 129 Old Park Lane Mrs Mary Alty, charwoman, 129 Boundary St Richard Alty, wireman & caretaker, 6 Liverpool Rd Robert Alty, motorman, 28 Ash lane Robert Alty labourer, 57 Shellfield Rd William Alty, hawker, 131 Boundary St William Alty, fish dealer, 171a Hampton Rd William Alty, plasterer, 57 Cemetery Rd William Alty, plasterer, 14 Stamford Rd William Henry Alty, 5 Trafalgar Rd Hope you or another member can find some links. Good luck in your search |
| HOLLY |
Thank you all for your welcome and all the information you have found on my behalf. 
I don't know where to begin here so first off - I think 1911 census from Yvonne looks good - The Streets directory has some links for me, ie; Guildford Rd and Stamford Rd, thanks Bobg.. and thanks Sooner for all that info which appears to link in. The Alty family belong to my Husband and I am doing this research on behalf of his Aunt. Husband informs me he has a relative called Peter in the Stamford Rd area (his Aunts Cousin). Could be the same Peter you went apple bobbing with Yvonne! They also had the donkeys on Southport beach! Now - would anyone know which would be the most likely Church they would use before I spend my money on Certs - I hope to go to Preston R.O for a few hours next week - so any ideas would be just fantastic! Once again thank you all for your time and kindess - Holly
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| Jane |
I don't know which church it may have been but before you go to the Lancashire RO in Preston check their site online and make sure they have the records for the church at the time you want.
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/ |
| HOLLY |
Good thinking Jane! Thanks for that, I usually get carried away and forget I need details of things! Holly |
| SeaCopRimmer |
St Peters Church would be the nearest I think - but they didn't always go to the nearest church - there's also St John's in Birkdale (that's if they were CofE of course) and there were many non-conformist churches and chapels around that area! |
| HOLLY |
Thanks Seacoprimmer - I don't know the area but was thinking St Cuthberts - perhaps not - will have to get on the phone to my Aunt and see if she can remember anything (they ask you to do these things and withhold all the details!) Holly |
| SeaCopRimmer |
I would say it's most unlikely that they would go to St Cuthbert's; there are three main churches in Birkdale - St John's, St James' and St Peter's; but as I said there's many, many little chapels and churches around Birkdale (as there are everywhere) - good hunting 
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| Yvonne |
When I lived in Stamford Road in my youth I went to St John's Birkdale, however St Peter's was nearer, (I was baptised there). but most of my relly's who lived around there seem to have married St Peter's or St James.
Before the new road up to Tesco was built Moss Road was a continuation of Stamford Road. Looking at Births Christine Alty 1944 Diane 1946 Sheila 1943 Peter A 1949 (year fits with him going to same school as me) all with mother surname Thompson |
| Yvonne |
Just doing a geneology report for someone and who pops up!
Don't know where he would fit in your tree but Alfred Alty married Alice Rotheram/Rotherham 4 Feb 1905 Alfred son of John and Catherine nee Lewis Added John son of William and Ellen nee Disley William son of Joseph and Ann nee Abram |
| HOLLY |
Hi Yvonne, looks like this is getting a bit too close to home! It could be that Peter b.1949 is my Husbands 2nd cousin and if so he is a friend of his brother also bn 1949! With a bit of luck Peter will know something of Arthur, shall make a few phone calls this evening....
Slightly off topic, my nephew lives in Stamford Rd.... the plot thickens!! It'll be interesting to see where this ends up - thanks for your help, much appreciated - Holly
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| HOLLY |
Hi again - not heard of an Alfred but then it was only last night the Husband mentioned his brother being friends with Peter - I'm beginning to think this lot have got something to hide!
I'm off to clean my spade and dig a little deeper
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| Dotty |
?I like a good mystery to solve...Good hunting, Sherlock! Dotty |
| mjayt7 |
Hi Holly,
Interesting to see, per sooner's reply, that your rellies are sharing with mine at 96 Lorne Street (now Boundary Street). Reginald is my great, great, grandfather. 1881 England Census Household Members: Reginald Aspinwall 46 Hannah Aspinwall 33 John Aspinwall 14 Charles Aspinwall 11 Elizabeth Aspinwall 9 Mary Aspinwall 5 Richard Alty 38 Mason, 96 Lorne St, born: Southport Alice Alty 40 born: Southport Richard Alty 12 born: Southport Arthur Alty 8 born: Southport Ann E. Alty 4 born: Southport Peter Alty 1 born: Southport Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3752; Folio: 84; Page: 29; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341898. They were both stonemasons so I guess this was why they shared, unless you know of any other connection. Mike |
| HOLLY |
Hi Mike, sorry for the late reply. At the moment I'm still up to Arthur or rather his wife Elizabeth! If anything crops up regarding Reginald I'll let you know - good luck - Holly |
| ray green |
1940s birthsCould Yvonne advise where she obtained the 1940s birth details. Thanks |
| Yvonne |
Ray,
I went on Ancestry births 1916-2005 entered Alty, Southport, and they came up, along with other Alty's but I knew Peter would have been born 1949-50, and that one girl was definitely Christine. Yvonne |
| Dotty |
InterestingI say...Lorne/Boundary Street is one road away from Duke Street cemetery and there was a large monumental business called Robinsons on Duke Street opposite the cemetery. Maybe they worked there... Dotty 
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| mjayt7 |
You might be right Dotty,
I think Lorne Street may actually have extended to the nearer part of Warwick Street. Reginald had been employed and lived in Liverpool (and married two wives there) at the time a lot of the big buildings were going up there. |
| HOLLY |
Interesting - Elizabeth married Arthur Atly - BUT - her parents also married in Liverpool in 1869 All Saints - Elijah Hodge to Ann Hooton, by 1875 Elijah had died, Holly |
| HOLLY |
Hi, a little note to let you all know how I've got on up to now.....
Bobg listed the Street Directory 1914-1915 which has Arthur Alty as Fish Hawker, Guilford Road, I have Arthur 1911 census as Fishmonger, Boundary Rd., along with 7 Children - plenty of Aunts and Uncles for my Aunt to remember..... Thank you all for your input - much appreciated - Holly |
| Dotty |
Goody...Thanks for the update. It's always good to hear how the searches are going on...gives us all hope.TTFN Dotty
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