Formby families

sandgrounder · Formby families

Does anyone know of a site specifically for searching for families who lived in Formby ?
Thanks in advance .

mother

Is there a particular name you are researching?
Have you looked at all the census records for Formby?

sandgrounder

I have a James Goulbourne aged 4 in the 1901 census living in Formby , not sure where i got that from though and i haven't got an address written down . He eventually married Elizabeth Annie Hose of the Formby Hose's
I am new to all of this so would be grateful of a point in the right direction .

franh1946 · James Goulbourne

The only James Goulbourne I can find in the 1901 census who might match is aged 3 months and is living at Woodbine Cottages Altcar with
William aged 42 ordinary ag.lab. b. Formby
Jane 38 b Hereford
Mabel 12 b. Formby
Elizabeth 10 b Formby
Henry 6 b.Altcar
Jessie 3 b. Altcar.

Other James's were born in Astley 1898, Stretford 1892 and Manchester 1898, and one in Durham in 1895.
I didn't check alternative spellings.

Dotty · Well...

At least you have a bit of something to get your teeth into Sandgrounder. Hope it helps.

Do you live locally? If so you would be most welcome to come along to our monthly meetings on the 3rd Thursday. If you are interested just let me know...

TTFN

Dotty q60

mother

When we lived in Formby, our plumber was Mike Goulbourne, his father was Jim.
I suppose it could be the same line

sandgrounder

Thanks for that Franh .
I am seeing a relative of his on Friday so i will see what else i can find out .

I know that he was a first cousin of his wife .

Thanks for all of your replies .

Dotty · Doh...

What a klutz...my invitation was to sandgrounder who may or may not live locally, sorry fran...

Dotty

franh1946

Never mind, Dotty. I'd love to come to one of your meetings...maybe some day!

sandgrounder

OK , so he was born in 1896 to Richard and Ada Goulbourne so would have been around for the census .
He may have been born in Ormskirk or i have an address in Bootle- Lockinvar St .
it is thought he was an only child .
I suppose he could have been named after his father and used his middle name as his first ?

So where do i go now ?
Ordering birth/death certs makes it expensive , so microfiche in the library ?
Also , can you check baptism and marriages on-line or go to the church ? He may have married at St.Lukes in 1916 .

I am new at this so sorry for so many questions !

Jane

Ask questions and I#'m sure you will get answers. Its the way we all learnt how to do things

Microfiche in the library will only tell you which year and quarter the event occurred and the registration district. To find out parents names etc you need certificates.

To check parish registers for Lancashire you would need to visit the Lancashire Record Office in Preston.

The only ones online are the IGI which cover early years.

There is a site called Freereg but I'm not sure how far they have got or which areas they cover. I had a quick search and Southport isn't well covered

Lancashire record office site where you can check which registers they have and the years covered - http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/

freereg - http://freereg.rootsweb.com/

homebird · james goulbourn

Hi sandgrounder

I found this entry on ancestry.co.uk for the 1901 census Formby address Willow Grove

Name: Jane Goulbourne
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ada
Where born: Formby, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Formby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Formby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Goulbourne 25 Occupation Blacksmith place of birth Altcar
Ada Goulbourne 26 place of birth Bootle
Jane Goulbourne 5 place of birth Formby
Elena Goulbourne 1 5 months place of birth Formby

Note his name has been mis-transcribed

This is the childrens baptisms from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Baptism: 5 Jan 1896 St Peter, Formby, Lancashire, England
James Goulbourne - Child of Richard Goulbourne & Ada
Abode: Formby
Occupation: Black Smith
Baptised by: Thos. Bishop
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1923, Page 114, Entry 907
Source: LDS Film 1849657

Baptism: 3 Dec 1899 St Peter, Formby, Lancashire, England
Eleanor Goulbourn - Child of Richard Goulbourn & Ada
Abode: Formby
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: Fred. F. Grensted Off. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1923, Page 130, Entry 1033
Source: LDS Film 1849657

Richard married Ada Hose 1895 Formby St Peter, free bmd index is
1895 Richard Goulbourn - Ada Hose, jun qtr, district Ormskirk, vol 8b, page 1119

I have been doing a bit of research on the Goulbourns for my daughter in law and James' father Richard is part of her branch.

Hope this helps
Homebird

sandgrounder

Oh thank-you SO much .
Do you know what became of Eleanor as our family know nothing of her ?

bagpuss

Hi Sandgrounder

Just noticed that you have Ormskirk CULSHAWs in your signature, thought you might be interested to know that I have in my extended family tree a Henry CULSHAW born 1808 in Ormskirk, son of Henry CULSHAW (b1781 Burscough) and Jennet MAWDSLEY (b1786 Ormskirk) who married on 24 December 1803 in Ormskirk St Peter & St Paul.

Henry junior is believed to have married Eleanor SANDFORD (b1810 Underbarrow, Westmorland) in Liverpool St Nicholas in 1837, the couple settling across the river Mersey in Liscard, Cheshire, where they had six children.

homebird

hi sandgrounder

I haven't been able to find the family on the 1911 census for Formby, maybe they moved?

There are two possible marriages for Eleanor Goulbourne

1919 Eleanor Goulbourne - John W Hughes dec qtr, district West Derby, vol 8b page 471

1934 Eleanor Golbourne - Albert E Jackson jun qtr, district West Derby, vol 8b page 946

I would imagine it is the earlier marriage as she would be about 20 years old then, you would need to send for the certificate to verify it is her.

homebird

sandgrounder

Homebird ,

James' daughter is not aware that she had an Aunt . Could she have died ? The family moved and were at one point in Lockinvar St in Bootle .

sandgrounder

Hi Bagpuss ,

Just to let you know why i might seem clueless !!! I have an Aunty who i haven't seen or spoken to for many years ( families !! ) but she passed to me a folder of what she has researched so parts are difficult to understand , and her daughter has looked at it and said that some of it is wrong . So i have to try and sort out what little i have got .

My more recent Culshaws are all from Birkdale but according to Sylvia Harrop's 'Old Birkdale and Ainsdale' there were no Culshaw's in Birkdale before 1851.

The earliest Culshaw's i have is in the 1841 census living at Aspinwall Farm in Scarisbrick , this is James ( 1811-1850 )and his family. After he died his wife Ellen married Samuel Taylor ( she was lited as Helen in the 1851 census ) and James/Ellen oldest 3 children James , John or Joseph and Margaret were known as Taylor.
In 1871 they are living at Ormskirk Road North Meols , in 1881 at Poplar St ,1901 Canning Road.

If you have any later Culshaw's in Birkdale , let me know !

sandgrounder

Homebird ,

Have you noticed on the census info she is listed as Elena and Eleanor ?
Not sure if this is as it was written or the way you have written it .

bagpuss

homebird

sandgrounder

most spelling of names back then was down to how the enumerators/registrar's thought it should be spelt. The surname for the Goulbourne family has been spelt as Goldborn, Goldbern, Goulbourn, Goulborn, Gouldbourne etc. There are also a lot of census transcription errors.

I didn't find a death for Eleanor at an early age, so it's probably safe to assume she got married and lost contact with her brother.

If I do find a death record I'll let you know

homebird

42aitch

I have found that James Goulbourne married Elizabeth Ann Hose at Christ Church, Bootle. If you get the marriage certificate you will find his father's name which will help you go further. If you go to Lancs BMD the reference is A4/3/262 and you can print off the form to order it from South Sefton Register Office, it will cost £7.

I have also checked the 1911 census and have found a James age 10 with William & Jane at Woodbine Cottage, a James age 19 Stepson with John and Elizabeth Goulbourne at Cheapside, Formby and a James age 15 with Richard and Ada in St. Helens. I have copied these transcripts if you want me to e-mail them to you. Use a PM to do this.

You really do need to get the marriage certificate to go further.

Eileen

homebird

hi sandgrounder

I have now found Richard and Ada in 1911, the family were living in St Helens. Richard was still a blacksmith and James was by then a joiners apprentice. Eleanor was age 11 at school and they also had another daughter Ada age 8 at school.

If you pm me your email address I can send you the transcript of the 1911 census.

homebird

bagpuss

So bride & groom James GOULBOURNE (b1896 Formby) and Elizabeth Annie HOSE (b1895 Bootle) were in fact first cousins - James' mother Ada HOSE (b1874 Bootle) being a full sister to Elizabeth Annie's father James Henry HOSE (b1868 Kirkdale)?

sandgrounder

Yes they were first cousins - i was aware of that .
I am not sure about the St.Helens though as they moved to Bootle . More digging is needed !
I will have to digest all the info so far as you have all been so helpful and will contact you soon .

sandgrounder

Bagpuss ,
The Aindows are well documented and the family have get-togethers down South so i am not in need of info there . However if i can be of any help , just let me know .

bagpuss

Sandgrounder,
Would be interested to know whether my cousin Walter Jones in Ayrshire is invited to the AINDOW get-togethers 'down south'?
He's a direct descendant of fisherman Henry AINDOW (b1812 Great Crosby) who was for many years master of the Formby lifeboat.

sandgrounder

If anyone wants details of the Aindow's please PM me .
I can probably help on the Formby Hose's also , or at least i'll try my best !

bagpuss

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