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donnydave

Hi I am new to the forum

Hi I am Dave from Doncaster I was born on Lord Street Southport, and I have just started researching my late mothers side of the family, she was Lilian Rimmer and her family moved to Michigan in about 1949 her dad was Albert Rimmer (1902)  Blowick and her mother was Doris Bailey (Rotherham) they lived at 28 Cemetery Road Southport. Alberts dad was Thomas Rimmer (1860) and his mam was Jane Sourbutts, I know Albert had a sister Anne Rimmer (1898-1971) who died in North Meols, but I have ben unable to trace his other siblings one being called Jack who used to live with them, I am also stuck with Jane Sourbutt with no information to help me, any info would be gratefully received.
Jane

Welcome to the forum donny

I have a feeling it is Seacop who might be able to help you more with Rimmers. Hopefully she will spot this soon
SeaCopRimmer

Had already seen Dave's plea on The Rimmer FHS forum so have sent him a reply - can't come up with much until I get into the Library - but will keep this forum posted of progress (as and when)
donnydave

SeaCopRimmer wrote:
Had already seen Dave's plea on The Rimmer FHS forum so have sent him a reply - can't come up with much until I get into the Library - but will keep this forum posted of progress (as and when)

Thank you for noticing me
donnydave

I have just found out the info on my family I was given from a family tree site member was wrong  I have deleted them all back to Thomas Rimmer and Jane Sourbutts, my grandad only had brothers and no sisters, so the sister Anne does not exist it was Fred, Richard, Albert (grandad) Jim, Thomas, Jack and William Rimmer who I believe was killed in the first world war? Cheers Donnydave.
Jane

You could check the CWGC to see if you can find war dead

http://www.cwgc.org/

If it's first war then there is someone on here who has the book 'Southport's Splendid hearts' This lists all those who were killed in the first war and were from Southport.

I'm just starting a similar project on World War 2.

No idea if you feel it worthwhile but for members of the society I am happy to do some free research in the local library
BrianG

Jane wrote:

If it's first war then there is someone on here who has the book 'Southport's Splendid hearts' This lists all those who were killed in the first war and were from Southport.

There are a few William Rimmers in the SSH. Most likely is this one:
RIMMER, WILLIAM
269793 Private
13th Battalion
King's Liverpool Regiment
Born: Birkdale
KIA: F&F 11-4-1918
Buried in Brown's Road Military Cemetery, Festubert, Pas de Calais

There's a short piece in the Visiter (25-2-1918) refers to his parents Mr & Mrs Thomas Rimmer of 75 Shaftesbury Rd Southport. He was 20 years old, and before enlisting employed by Mr Blundell, Farm House Birkdale

Would make his birth around 1897/8 - does that sound about right?
Brian
donnydave

Thanks Brian that does sound promising the birth date is about what I had estimated and it gives me an address to work from. Cheers Dave.
donnydave

I hope I am ok putting this here this is my family I am tracing

Grandad Albert is on there, so is great grandad Thomas and Grandma Jane Sourbutts and great uncle Jack at the back my mam Lilian is at the front on the left
donnydave

This is mam and dad Lilian Rimmer and Dennis Watson I think the year before I was born 1947 at Southport, the car was a prop for photographs I believe cos they never drove a car.

And this was mam as a baby at Southport about 1924

And mam when she was in the land army at Southport about 1945
SeaCopRimmer

Mr & Mrs Thomas Rimmer of 75 Shaftesbury Rd Southport

Checked in the Street Directory for 1924 and it was a Thomas and Mary living at 75 Shaftesbury Avenue!   Am back in the Library today (manning a help desk for family history) so will check further to see if I can find the right Thomas!
The only Rimmer/Sourbutts marriage I've found so far is Thomas Rimmer married Ellen Ann Sourbutts, Ormskirk District, September Quarter 1886, 8b 1073.
On the 1901 Census they appear at 34 Larch Street
Thomas Rimmer (34), Ellen A (38), William (13), John (10), Thomas (8), James (5), Frederick (2).
donnydave

SeaCopRimmer wrote:
Mr & Mrs Thomas Rimmer of 75 Shaftesbury Rd Southport

Checked in the Street Directory for 1924 and it was a Thomas and Mary living at 75 Shaftesbury Avenue!   Am back in the Library today (manning a help desk for family history) so will check further to see if I can find the right Thomas!
The only Rimmer/Sourbutts marriage I've found so far is Thomas Rimmer married Ellen Ann Sourbutts, Ormskirk District, September Quarter 1886, 8b 1073.
On the 1901 Census they appear at 34 Larch Street
Thomas Rimmer (34), Ellen A (38), William (13), John (10), Thomas (8), James (5), Frederick (2).

I think you have found them I have Thomas born in 1860 that makes him 26 getting married and 35 in the 1901 census. my auntie in America must have there ages mixed up she had grandad Albert as the 3rd born but grandad was born 1902 so would not be there yet, and Richard was probably the youngest and born even later? And John must be Jack, I will now send for the marriage certificate, I am really grateful you have gone to so much trouble for me, its cost me money in credits and found nothing, you have cracked it with a visit to the library :grin:  Thank You.
donnydave

I have got a little further I recieved grandma,s birth certificate (DORIS RIMMER nee BAILEY 1902-1975) and found her parents DENIS BAILEY c1867(iron worker Rotherham) and (ELIZA ANN HERD c1867)
I am waiting for my next pension day now so I can send for their marriage lines, when I find the reference.
Jane

I've only had a quick look on FreeBMD but can't see a marriage to fit. There is one for a Denis Bailey registered Rotherham but the woman on the same page are not Eliza Ann Herd.
donnydave

Jane wrote:
I've only had a quick look on FreeBMD but can't see a marriage to fit. There is one for a Denis Bailey registered Rotherham but the woman on the same page are not Eliza Ann Herd.

Whoops spelt HURD wrong, I hope I am not going to hit another brick wall?, but thanks for looking.
Jane

A quick search reveals

Birth for a Denis Bailey - March quarter 1869 Rotherham

A few births for Eliza Ann Hurd so difficult to work out which is her

Checking marriages on FreeBMD I still can't match the pair :?:
Ah bet this is them -- September quarter 1889 Rotherham 9c 787
Dennis Bailey and Ann Eliza Hird

So this could be her birth - September quarter 1867 Rotherham
donnydave

Jane wrote:
A quick search reveals

Birth for a Denis Bailey - March quarter 1869 Rotherham

A few births for Eliza Ann Hurd so difficult to work out which is her

Checking marriages on FreeBMD I still can't match the pair :?:
Ah bet this is them -- September quarter 1889 Rotherham 9c 787
Dennis Bailey and Ann Eliza Hird

So this could be her birth - September quarter 1867 Rotherham

Thats third time lucky with the spelling of HIRD and the proper age group for marriage that makes her 22 years old in 1889. Thank you
donnydave

OK I am a little bit further got THOMAS RIMMER and ELLEN ANN SOURBUTTS marriage certificate 11-09-1886 both 20 years old so both born 1866 :grin: his dad was WILLIAM RIMMER(Wheelwright) her dad was JOHN SOURBUTTS(Platelayer) (deceased) in 1886?
St Lukes church Southport.
Dotty

??

I wonder how many people searching their family history are thwarted by incorrect spellings?

In the past week seacop and I have had 2 or 3 people at the help desk saying they can't find he or she and when we worked our magic it has shown that the spelling of their names were incorrect.

Dotty
Germaine

So true Dotty I do usually look for that but one lot took me almost 4 years to find.
Meadows. --- Meadors Medews. Doen't help when one was supposed to Sumner  
Germaine
x
sooner

I hope you do not mind but I did a restoration on your damaged photo. I hope you like it.

Dotty

Oooerrrr...

What a lovely thing to do...it looks grand  now.    

You'll have a queue a mile long!

TTFN

Dotty    
Yvonne

Think this must be them. Whoops didn't see other posts, didn't go over to page 2

Marriages Sep 1889  

Bailey  Dennis    Rotherham  9c 787    
CONNOR  Robert James     Rotherham  9c 787    
Hird  Ann Eliza     Rotherham  9c 787    
Neill  Emily Jane     Rotherham  9c 787  


Yvonne
Dotty

Bingo

That's brilliant...thank you for helping.  I'm hoping a family history society in St Helens will be able to help me in the same way.

Dotty    

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