Howard

SeaCopRimmer · Howard

My maternal grandmother was Mary Alice Howard, daughter of Henry Howard and Isabella (nee Rimmer) - any information regarding the Howards of Marshside/Churchtown much appreciated

Jenny H

My family name is Howard, past relatives lived in Shellfield Rd and Moss Lane, Churchtown. I originate from Crossens. I am sure I can remember the name Mary and Henry Howard mentioned. My father and grandfather both called William. Great Aunt (edith mary) lived in Shellfield Rd.
is there any connection?

SeaCopRimmer

Don't think they're the same Howards; my great-grandparents were Henry and Isabella (nee Rimmer); they lived in Shellfield Road for a time, but in 1916 were in Lawson Street! But who knows if they were related to yours.........? Will keep my eye out on the Howard tree which I am growing!

Jenny H

thanks for reply. Will keep looking to see if related anywhere down line.
There is also a link on my branch of Howards with a family of Wrights.
Just keeps getting more complicated!!!!

ann

My Grandparents surname was Howard and they lived in Lawson street. I also had an uncle called Harry Howard, and an unmarried Aunt called Jane Howard all lived in Lawson street........
I had an Aunt who married a Wright also.......I am trying to trace my family back, but my memory is awful Embarassed

My grandad was called Harry Howard, but I can't remember my Grandmothers first name Embarassed

I think my grandmothers maiden name was Hallsell......I hope somone can help Smile

Jane

Ann you need to find your Grand parents marriage, send for the certificate and that will tell you your Grandmother's full name.

Or send for a birth certificate for one of their children (your parent maybe) - that will also give her first name and also her surname pre-marriage

Hope that helps a little

ann

Wow, thanks for quick reply Jane......where do I write to , for the information?? Question

Perhaps I will even be able to trace my Great grandparents....but one step at a time LOL......thanks again
Just a thought....I dont have any dates to go on...ie Birthdays

SeaCopRimmer

My great-grandparents (Henry and Isabella Howard) lived at 109 Warren Road in 1916; they had Mary Alice, Matthew, Robert, Ann, Jenny (or Jane), Richard, Isabella, Lilly and Henry (b.1898)! I believe the address Lawson Street has cropped up somewhere in the tree but I haven't found it yet - but will keep looking. I have a complete Howard tree going back to 1785. You will need to do more searching in the library to find dates, etc. before you order any certificates.

Bez

I have a Mary Howard married John Rimmer on 13th October 1819
They had the following children:
Thomas b.1820
Hugh (Rymer) b. 1822
Richard b. 1823
Catherine b. 1827
Betty b. 1830
John b. 1832
Peter b. 1836
Mary b. 1836
Ellen b. 1843

Obviously a different John Rimmer and Mary Howard to Sea Cop's couple.

baxtersp · Henry and Isabella Howard

Here's some info I've got on a Henry Howard & Isabella Rimmer. I haven't got an exact marriage date but I thing they were married September quarter 1878.

From North Meols Census 3rd April 1881, District 5, Page 22, Schedule no. 106
Shellfield Road, Marshside

Henry Howard Head Mar 21 Bricklayers Labourer born North Meols
Bella Howard Wife Mar 21 Shrimp Sheller
Matthew Howard Son 10 months
Mary A Howard Dau 2

From North Meols Census 5th April 1891, District 6, Page 1, Schedule no. 5
Threlfalls Brow, Marshside

Henry Howard Head Mar 30 General Labourer born Churchtown
Isabella Howard Wife Mar 30
Matthew Howard Son 10 Scholar
Robert Howard Son 7 Scholar
Richard Howard Son 1
Mary Alice Howard Dau 12 Scholar
Ann Howard Dau 5 Scholar
Jenny Howard Dau 3

From Southport Census 31st March 1901, District 48, Page 6, Schedule no. 38
2a Lawson Street, High Park

Henry Howard Head M 42 Gas Stoker Worker born Southport
Isabella Howard Wife M 46(?)
Matthew Howard Son S 21 Railway Stoker Worker
Ann Howard Dau S 15
Richard Howard Son 12
Isabella Howard Dau 9
Lilly Howard Dau 7
Henry Howard Son 3

NB Isabella should be about 41.

From grave in St Cuthberts churchyard, Churchtown

In Loving Memory of
Henry the beloved husband of
Isabella Howard,
who died March 21st 1935,
aged 74 years.
At rest.
Also of the above
Isabella Howard,
who died February 13th 1941,
aged 80 years. Re-united.
Also of Pte Matthew Howard, son of the above,
killed in action September 1916,
aged 35 years.

SeaCopRimmer

Mary Alice Howard (b.1878) was my maternal grandmother; Henry and Isabella, her parents, my great-grandparents; I have Matthew Howard's Attestation Papers (sent from Canada) and also a copy of the page on which he is commemorated in the Canadian Book of Remembrance, which incidentally is opened every year on 12th March; he was killed at Vimy Ridge in France. Are we related?

SeaCopRimmer

Just to keep everybody in the picture:
Baxtersp and I have exchanged e-mails and we are related, but it is a very tenuous link, but it's there!
I have the marriage certificate of Henry Howard and Isabella Rimmer; 24.08.1878: The Parish Church, North Meols:
Henry (19) bachelor, labourer, Churchtown; father Matthew Howard, Labourer
Isabella Rimmer, (18), Spinster, Churchtown; father Robert Rimmer, Labourer
Witnesses: William Wright and Ann Rimmer

HodgePodge

I am also descended from Howards (as well as most other North Meols families).. my closest Howard family come from Ellen Howard, who married John Hulm at Christ Church, Lord St on 13th June 1859. Ellen's sister, Mary Howard, married John's brother, Moses Hulm. Ellen was born 13th June 1830 and died 26th Sept 1912. Mary was born 3rd Nov 1833 and her death was registered March 1884.

The Howard sisters were daughters of James Howard, Farmer (c1793) and Hannah Ball (c1797).

James Howard was son of Richard Howard (1763) and Betty Rymer.

Richard Howard son of James Howard and Jennet Wright.

James appears to be James Howorth b1731 son of Richard Howorth (matches name of James' eldest son). Richard Howorth appears to have married Jennet Hoolme in 1722.

I think Richard Howorth may be one born in 1703 to Hugh Howorth.

I have the family bible of John Hulm and Ellen Howard containing theor birthdates and marriage and all family events after their marriage until the birth of my great uncle Bert Hulm in 1913