Information on family members - Mawdsley

jim feely · Information on family members - Mawdsley

Can anybody provide information on George and Richard Mawdsley who according to the 1881 census was living at 65 Lorne St

baxtersp

Here's what I've got on the Mawdsley's of 65 Lorne Street :-

Descendants of Edward Mawdsley

First Generation

1. Edward Mawdsley [25426] was born about 1836 in Formby, Lancashire, England.

General Notes: From North Meols Census 7th April 1861, District 7, Page 16, Schedule no. 110
Snuttering Lane

Edward Mawdsley Head Mar 25 Agriculter born Formby
Margrat Mawdsley Wife Mar 25 House Wife North Meols
Thomas Abram Mawdsley Son 4 North Meols
Isabella Mawdsley Son 2 North Meols
Catherine Abram Mother in Law Wid 66 Domestic Servant County of Tipperary, Ireland

NB I've taken Edward's entry to mean he's an Agricultural Labourer.

From North Meols Census 2nd April 1871, District 19, Pages 30 & 31, Schedule no. 155
10 William Street

Edward Mawdsley Head Mar 37 Milkman born Formby
Margaret Mawdsley Wife Mar 36 Southport
Thomas Mawdsley Son Unm 14 Scholar Southport
Isabella Mawdsley Dau 12 Scholar
Catherine Mawdsley Dau 11 Scholar
John Mawdsley Son 9 Scholar
Michael Mawdsley Son 7 Scholar
Edward Mawdsley Son 5 Scholar
Mary Mawdsley Dau 4 Scholar
Margaret Mawdsley Dau 1
Catherine Abram M-in-Law Wid 77 Ireland

NB Margaret senior dies, probably in 1872-3, and Edward marries Margaret Jones in the 4th quarter of 1873.

From North Meols Census 3rd April 1881, District 32, Page 26, Schedule no. 130
65 Lorne Street

Edward Mawdsley Head Mar 45 Farm Labourer born Formby
Margaret Mawdsley Wife Mar 41 Cheshire
John J Mawdsley Son Unm 19 Whitesmith Southport
Richard Mawdsley Son 17 Carter
Edward Mawdsley Son 15 Carter
Margaret Mawdsley Dau 11 Scholar
Joseph Mawdsley Son 9 Scholar
George H Mawdsley Son 7 Scholar
William F Mawdsley Son 13 Carter Liverpool
James G Broughton Boarder Mar 25 Printer Leeds (Yorkshire)
Katherine Broughton Wife Mar 21 Southport

NB William F could well be Margaret's son (not Edward's) as he's born outside the area. The only son from the current marriage is the youngest, George H Mawdsley. Katherine Broughton (AKA Catherine, nee Mawdsley) is Edward's daughter. Edward's wife dies before the next Census.

From North Meols Census 5th April 1891, District 38, Page 17, Schedule no. 101
92 St Lukes Road

Edward Mawdsley Head Widr 54 Gardener born Formby
Joseph Mawdsley Son S 19 Basket Maker Southport
George H Mawdsley Son S 16 Engine Cleaner

From Southport Census 31st March 1901, District 42, Page 25, Schedule no. 166
33 Hawthorn Grove

Edward Mawdsley Head M 64 Gardener Domestic born Formby
Agnes Mawdsley Wife M 46 Liverpool
James A Mawdsley Son 8 Southport
Agnes A Mawdsley Dau 5

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as an Agricultural Labourer on 7 Apr 1861 in Snuttering Lane, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1861 Census.
• He worked as a Milkman on 2 Apr 1871 in 10 William Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1871 Census.
• He worked as a Farm Labourer on 3 Apr 1881 in 65 Lorne Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1881 Census.
• He worked as a Gardener on 5 Apr 1891 in 92 St Lukes Road, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1891 Census.

Edward married Margaret Abram [24772] [MRIN: 5959] in 1858 in Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, daughter of Thomas Abram [16060] and Catherine Cantwell [24766]. Margaret was born in Trap Lane, North Meols, Lancashire, England, was christened on 29 Nov 1835 in St Cuthbert, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England, and died about 1873 aged about 38. Another name for Margaret was Margrat. LDS Baptism: 17 Jun 2006, Nauvoo Illinois (new) Temple. Endowment: 25 Jul 2006, Nauvoo Illinois (new) Temple. Sealed to Parents: 27 Jul 2006, Nauvoo Illinois (new) Temple.

Children from this marriage were:

2 M i. Thomas Abram [25427] was born about 1857 in North Meols, Lancashire, England. Another name for Thomas was Thomas Abram Mawdsley.

General Notes: Almost certainly born before his parents marriage.

3 F ii. Isabella Mawdsley [25428] was born in 1858 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

+ 4 F iii. Catherine Mawdsley [25429] was born in 1860 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

5 M iv. John J Mawdsley [25430] was born about 1862 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Whitesmith on 3 Apr 1881 in 65 Lorne Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1881 Census.

+ 6 M v. Michael Mawdsley [25431] was born in 1863 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

7 M vi. Edward Mawdsley [25432] was born about 1865 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Carter on 3 Apr 1881 in 65 Lorne Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1881 Census.

8 F vii. Mary Mawdsley [25433] was born about 1866 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

9 F viii. Margaret Mawdsley [25434] was born about 1869 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

+ 10 M ix. Joseph Mawdsley [25446] was born in 1872 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England, died on 25 Feb 1934 aged 62, and was buried in St Cuthbert, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Edward next married Margaret Jones [25447] [MRIN: 5963] December Quarter 1873 in Ormskirk Registration District, Lancashire. Margaret was born about 1840 in Cheshire, England and died before 1891.

Marriage Notes: Oct-Nov-Dec 1873 Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 1166

The child from this marriage was:

11 M i. George Henry Mawdsley [25448] was born in 1874 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as an Engine Cleaner on 5 Apr 1891 in 92 St Lukes Road, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1891 Census.

Edward next married Agnes Roberts [25452] [MRIN: 5964] March Quarter 1893 in Ormskirk Registration District, Lancashire. Agnes was born about 1854 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England.

Marriage Notes: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893 Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 938

Children from this marriage were:

12 M i. James Allen Mawdsley [25453] was born in 1893 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

13 F ii. Agnes A Mawdsley [25454] was born about 1895 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

Second Generation (Children)

4. Catherine Mawdsley [25429] (Edward 1) was born in 1860 in North Meols, Lancashire, England. Other names for Catherine were Kate, and Katherine.

Catherine married James Young Broughton [25445] [MRIN: 5962] June Quarter 1880 in Our Lady & St Nicholas & St Anne, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. James was born about 1855 in Leeds, Yorkshire, England.

Marriage Notes: Apr-May-Jun 1880 Liverpool Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 179

Confirmed by Lancashire BMDs and church given as Liverpool, Our Lafy & St Nicholas & St Anne.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Printer on 3 Apr 1881 in 65 Lorne Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1881 Census, with father in law Edward Mawdsley.
• He worked as a Printer on 5 Apr 1891 in 1 Chatham Road, Birkdale, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1891 Census.
• He worked as a Printer (Newspapers) on 31 Mar 1901 in 42 Belgrave Road, Oldham, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census.

Children from this marriage were:

14 M i. James Young Broughton [25443] was born in 1883 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Billiard Marker on 31 Mar 1901 in 122 Boundary Street, Southport, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census, with uncle Michael Mawdsley & family.

15 F ii. Margaret Ada Broughton [25444] was born in 1886 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Another name for Margaret was Ada.

Noted events in her life were:

• She worked as an Assistant in Bakehouse on 31 Mar 1901 in 122 Boundary Street, Southport, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census, with uncle Michael Mawdsley & family.

16 M iii. Edward Broughton [25449] was born in 1889 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

17 F iv. Annie Broughton [25450] was born about 1892 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

18 M v. Ernest Samuel Broughton [25451] was born in 1895 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

6. Michael Mawdsley [25431] (Edward 1) was born in 1863 in North Meols, Lancashire, England.

General Notes: From North Meols Census 5th April 1891, District 26, Page 9, Schedule no. 57
147 Boundary Street

Michael Mawdsley Head M 27 Carter born Southport
Sarah Jane Mawdsley Wife M 29 Burscough
Margaret Mawdsley Dau 6 Scholar Southport
Henry Mawdsley Son 5 months

NB Thomas & Mary Marshall at schedule no. 56 are also living at 147 Boundary Street.

From Southport Census 31st March 1901, District 22, Page 15, Schedule no. 105
122 Boundary Street

Michael Mawdsley Head M 36 Labourer, Plasterers Worker born Southport
Sarah J Mawdsley Wife M 39 Burscough
Margaret Mawdsley Dau S 16 Housemaid Domestic Worker Southport
Henry Mawdsley Son S 10
Lavinia Mawdsley Dau S 9
Sarah G Mawdsley Dau S 4
James A Mawdsley Son S 1
James Y Broughton Nephew S 17 Billiard Marker
Margaret A Broughton Niece S 15 Assistant in Bakehouse

NB The Broughton's are from Michael's sister Catherine and her husband (another James Y Broughton).

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Carter on 5 Apr 1891 in 147 Boundary Street, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1891 Census.
• He worked as a Plasterer's Labourer on 31 Mar 1901 in 122 Boundary Street, Southport, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census.

Michael married Sarah Jane Robinson [25435] [MRIN: 5960] June Quarter 1882 in Ormskirk Registration District, Lancashire, daughter of Henry Robinson [25436] and Margaret Forshaw [25437]. Sarah was born about 1861 in Burscough, Lancashire, England.

Marriage Notes: Apr-May-Jun 1882 Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 1209

Children from this marriage were:

19 F i. Margaret Mawdsley [25438] was born about 1884 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Noted events in her life were:

• She worked as a Housemaid Domestic on 31 Mar 1901 in 122 Boundary Street, Southport, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census.

20 M ii. Henry Mawdsley [25439] was born in 1890 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

General Notes: 5 Months old on the 1891 Census (5th April).

21 F iii. Lavinia Mawdsley [25440] was born in 1892 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

22 F iv. Sarah Gertrude Mawdsley [25441] was born in 1896 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

23 M v. James A Mawdsley [25442] was born about 1899 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

10. Joseph Mawdsley [25446] (Edward 1) was born in 1872 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England, died on 25 Feb 1934 aged 62, and was buried in St Cuthbert, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

General Notes: From Southport Census 31st March 1901, Dsitrict 46, Page 2, Schedule no. 9
116 Bispham Road

Joseph Mawdsley Head M 29 Plasterers Labourer Worker born Southport
Isabella Mawdsley Wife M 29
Edward Mawdsley Son 4
Maria Mawdsley dau 1

Joseph died February 25th 1934 aged 62 years, and is buried in St Cuthbert's chuchyard (Churchtown) with Isabella and Isabell's parents, David and Maria Young. Gravestone transcription entered in David Young's record.

Noted events in his life were:

• He worked as a Basket Maker on 5 Apr 1891 in 92 St Lukes Road, Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1891 Census.
• He worked as a Plasterers Labourer on 31 Mar 1901 in 116 Bispham Road, Southport, Lancashire, England. Occupation given on the 1901 Census.

Joseph married Isabella Young [25455] [MRIN: 5965] September Quarter 1893 in Ormskirk Registration District, Lancashire, daughter of David Young [25458] and Maria Wright [25459]. Isabella was born about 1871 in Southport, North Meols, Lancashire, England, died on 4 May 1945 aged about 74, and was buried in St Cuthbert, Churchtown, North Meols, Lancashire, England.

Marriage Notes: Jul-Aug-Sep 1893 Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 1287

Children from this marriage were:

24 M i. Edward Mawdsley [25456] was born about 1896 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

25 F ii. Maria Mawdsley [25457] was born about 1899 in Southport, Lancashire, England.

Yvonne

All I can say Steve is WOW :!:
Makes my bit about Catherine Abram miniscule

Dotty · Indeed

I concur...sometimes only a WOW will do!!

Dotty

Jane

I had an email from Jim to say than you to Steve & Yvonne - no idea why he couldn't post it but hey I just pass these messages on :grin:

Yvonne

I got a personal thank you email from Jim earlier this am..

baxtersp

So did I.

SeaCopRimmer

Good to know that your work is appreciated

Jane

Jim has now worked out sending a PM

lovely when I hear the forum works though. This is one of the reasons for it so a big thank you to Steve & Yvonne :grin:

Yvonne

Cannot be 100% sure of details, but a contact of GR has,

Parents of Edward Mawdsley - John c 1794 born Formby and Isabela Kirby c1797 born Formby.

Isabela daughter of William Kirby c1763 born Formby and Alice Halton c1766 born Altcar.

jim feely · parents of Edward Mawdsley

Thank you once again. The information about Edward is correct parents are John and Isabela this information I got from the Catholic Church in Formby

nhengure

Jim,
George who was born in 1874 was George Henry. He married Annie Bowles and they had William Frederick and George Henry. They lived in Hargreaves Street before he left England for Africa. Annie remained in Southport with the children. She is listed in the 1901 census with them. She left to join George and they had another child John Edward in Rhodesia. George joined up with South African Forces to serve in 1914-18 war where he died and is buried in St Sever Cemetery in Rouen. I have his war medals as he is my great grandfather.

I have a problem with Richard. Did they make a mistake as the year of birth would match that of Michael?

bagpuss

Hi

Should anyone be interested, Edward MAWDSLEY's second wife was my second cousin three times removed Margaret JONES (b1840 CHS Hoose), daughter of William Wilson JONES (b1815 CHS Eastham) and Margaret SHERLOCK (b1817 CHS Great Meols).
Margaret (Jones) MAWDSLEY died in 1888 aged 48.

In the 1901 Census Edward & Margaret's grandsons William Frederick and George Henry MAWDSLEY were (along with their mother Annie) visiting Margaret's sister Ann OWEN nee JONES (b1846 CHS Hoose) and her husband Peter at 84 Lord Street, Southport.

I've been asked by a Linne Bowles Gravenstock whether I know where George MAWDSLEY & Annie BOWLES were married and precisely when they emigrated to Africa.
Can anyone help with this, please?

BrianG

Haven't found Henry yet, but Annie Mawdsley, accompanied by GH and WF Mawdsley, departed from Liverpool for the Cape, South Africa on 14 Jan 1904 aboard the MEDIC (which was bound for Sydney, Australia)

bagpuss

Many thanks, Brian - every little helps!

Yvonne

bagpuss
Don't know whether you have seen them but on the Homepage of NMFHS- Members Family Photos, there are some pictures of the Mawdsley family.

Jane

Our home page is - www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk

bagpuss

Thanks to Yvonne & Jane for pointing me in the direction of the MAWDSLEY family photographs (and to Jim for submitting them to the web-site, of course).

Forum member nhengure, who posted in this thread on 31 March 2008, appears to be be blood-related to me, since according to my family tree program's relationship calculator we are 5th cousins once removed. If this person is interested in taking their great-great grandmother Margaret JONES' ancestral line back into the 1500's then please get in touch?

Jane

bagpuss if you go to memberlist (along the top of the page) and find nhengure you might be able to send them an email - if not you could send a private message.

Irene Mawdsley

I am related to the MAWDSLEY family of Southport, by marriage. My father-in-law was GEORGE MAWDSLEY born 14th November 1898 to EDWARD MAWDSLEY and CLARA LAVINIA SHIPSIDES. EDWARDwas born 1865 in Formby to EDWARD MAWDSLEY and MARGARET ABRAM.

Family members from Edward and Clara emigrated to Canada and Australia.

Was so delighted to find this chat line and looking forward to reading more about this family.

Yvonne

Small world Irene.

My friend's husband is the 2xgt grandson of Edward and Margaret. Their son Michael had a daughter Lavinia born 3 Jan 1892. She married a Samuel Hawkshaw.
and in turn I am related through Margaret's father Thomas Abram and his first marriage.

Dotty · I guess it's true...

They say it's a small world...I guess it's true!

Dotty

Jane

I love these kinds of posts. Shows the forum works

Irene Mawdsley

I have looked at the photographs on the Home Page and they are fantastic.

I had put the Mawdsley family on the 'back burner' for a while but recently received an e-mail from a 'relative' who states Edward Mawdsley's son George Henry is her great grandfather - he married Annie Bowles and went out to Africa with his sons William Frederick her grandfather, -and George
I have sent her this page address and hopefully she will fill us in a bit more especially with the sailing date.

bagpuss

Hi Irene

Thank you for the information re Edward b1865 and Clara Lavinia SHIPSIDES, which has enabled me to identify the family in the 1891 & 1901 Censuses.
Interesting that the couple named two of their sons John - a John Edward born in 1883 and a John Henry in 1896?
Also interesting that in 1891 they had a boarder named John CLEASE (did you perhaps get Fawlty Towers on Canadian TV?).

My connection with this MAWDSLEY line is via Edward b1835's 2nd wife Margaret JONES (b1840 Hoose) whereas yours (and Yvonne's) is of course via his first wife Margaret ABRAM.

Presumably the 'relative' who e-mailed you recently is my 5th cousin nhengure who posted to this forum on 31 March 2008?

Yvonne

I was talking to my friend who is Lavinia's grandson. He remembers someone from Canada coming to their door looking for Lavinia, this was a good few years ago though.

Irene Mawdsley

Two daughters of Edward and Clara were sent here to Canada, Lillie in 1919,
who went to Kenora, Ontario and Isobelle who came out later and lived in
Montreal. Isobelle would likely be the one who visited.

My cousin-in-law who lives in Canada too is getting very excited about all
the information you kind folks are giving us. Thanks.

As to two Johns in one family,,,,it didn't occur to me as my mother came from Scottish parents and with their naming process often children had the same first or second given names.

Yvonne

This seems to be the family of Edward and Clara 1911

HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY CLARA LAVINIA F 1866 45 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY ADA ELIZABETH F 1887 24 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY BERTHA F 1906 5 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY CHARLES M 1903 8 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY EDWARD M 1866 45 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY GEORGE M 1899 12 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY ISABELLA F 1902 9 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY JOHN HENRY M 1897 14 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY JOSEPH M 1896 15 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY LAVINIA F 1910 1 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY LILLIE F 1894 17 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY ROSE MARY F 1907 4 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD MAWDSLEY WILLIAM M 1892 19 Ormskirk Lancashire

Irene Mawdsley

Thanks Yvonne, that's them living at 78 St. Lukes Road, Southport.and
Michael Mawdsley and Sarah Jane and family were living at one time at
92 St. Lukes Road.

I don't have access to the 1911 except when it was first opened and we could sneak a way in through a loophole which was quickly closed!!!!

bretwalda · More Mawdsleys

I am trying to sort out the confusing proliferation of Mawdsley families in this part of Lancashire. I was born in Ashton-under-Lyne in 1939 and my mother was Margaret Ellen Mawdsley b1919 to Catherine Mawdsley b1894 and an unknown father. Catherine was the eldest of 5 children born to James Mawdsley b1869 and Margaret Ellen Bond b1874. The other children of the marriage were Mary b1896, Thomas b1897, James b1898 and Cecily b1900.

During the War, as a child I accompanied my mother by train from Manchester and visited Catherine's father, living in a cottage in Formby with fruit trees at the rear, with a pig in a sty at the bottom of the garden. That single visit was my only contact with the rest of the family and until recently I was unaware of Catherine's antecedents. To the best of my knowledge, my mother and her mother, Catherine, had no contact with any of their family once they had moved to the Manchester area. I left Lancashire in 1960 and live in Essex so find it difficult to follow up enquiries in the Formby area - my wife is disabled and unable to travel.

I believe James to be one of 7 children (Isabella b1855 , Thomas b1858, Catherine b1860. Elizabeth b1863, Edward b1865, John b1867 and James b1869) born to Thomas Mawdesly b 1828 and Catherine Abraham or Abram b 1830.

However there are several Thomas Mawdsleys listed in Ancestry.co.uk searches, all from around the same area and of similar ages.

Can anyone help me sort out which one is the correct one, or even confirm that the information that I have so far is correct?

I have birth certificates for both my mother and my grandmother Catherine Mawdsley. Both are listed as having been born at premises on Liverpool Road, Formby, my mother's address is shown as Robinsons Square, Liverpool Road, Formby, Lancashire. The information about Catherine's siblings and parents came from the Census returns.

However once I move back beyond James Mawdsley, I am less certain of my ground and would appreciate some assistance in deciding which Thomas to follow.

Yvonne

I have a marriage cert of a Catherine Abram to a Thomas Mawdesley.

Details
26th Feb 1854 Christ Church, North Meols
Thomas Mawdesley 24, Bachelor Labourer, Southport
Father John Mawdesley Labourer
Catherine Abram, 23, Spinster, Southport
Father Thomas Abram, Labourer

Witnesses George Mercer & Mary Lovelady

Catherine baptised 10 July 1831

I have that Thomas's parents were John and Isabella nee Kirby
Catherine's were Thomas and Catherine nee Formby nee Cantwell.

Elizabeth 1863 married John Aindow 9 Aug 1888 Formby
Catherine 1860 married
1. James Alcock in 1879. He died 1880
2. Richard Houghton in 1882
Edward married Mary Esther Swift ? 1900 )
John married Ellen Andrews ? 1887 ) both only possible marriages

bretwalda

Thank you for that Yvonne.

I am currently waiting for the marriage certificate of James Mawdsley 1869 (my greatgrandfather) and Margeret Bond 1874 which will show the occupation of his father, Thomas. I have found various Thomas's, varying from labourer, through engine driver for the Lancs & Yorks Railway to shopkeeper - all born within a year or so of each other and all in the Ormskirk district. Think that the labourer is the correct one but we shall see.

bagpuss

Thank you for this 'siblings' marriage, Yvonne - Thomas' brother Edward MAWDSLEY (b1835) of course marrying Catherine's sister Margaret ABRAM in Liverpool St Nicholas in 1858.
Incidentally (without wishing to appear at all pedantic) a lady can surely have only one 'nee', being the name she was born with? Would not the ABRAM girls' mother be more properly described as Catherine nee CANTWELL formerly FORMBY?

Irene Mawdsley

My Mawdsley family descends from Edward Mawdsley son of Edward Mawdsley and Margaret Abram, born 1865 in Formby.

Information that I have on other children of Edward and Margaret was obtained from a professional researcher giving 12 children in 16 years including two sets of twins!

Can anyone give me idea at which church in Formby these siblings would have been christened so that I can correct dates if needed.

Thanks, Irene

SeaCopRimmer

I think at that time it would be St Peter's

Yvonne

According to Elizabeth Abram's birth cert 10 Jan 1840 Snuttering Lane.
Mother
Catherine Abram late FORMBY formerly CANTWELL

Jane

There is a list of churches on the forum - http://nmfhssouthport.myfreeforum.org/about1363.html

Yvonne

This is Thomas and Catherine in census living in Fomrby

1861
Thomas Mawdsley 33 Railway Plate Layer
Catherine Mawdsley 32
Isabella Mawdsley 6
Thomas Mawdsley 3
Catherine Mawdsley 1

1871
Thomas Mawdsley 42 Railway Labourer
Cathrine Mawdsley 41
Thomas Mawdsley 13
Cathrine Mawdsley 11
Elizabeth Mawdsley 8
John Mawdsley 6
Edward Mawdsley 4
James Mawdsley 1

1881 - Robinson Square
Thomas Mawdsley 54 Plate Layer L & Y R
Catherine Mawdsley 52
Thomas Mawdsley 23
Catherine Alcock 21
Elizabeth Mawdsley 18
John Mawdsley 16
Edward Mawdsley 14
James Mawdsley 11
Margaret Alcock 1

1891
Thomas Mawderley 63 Railway Labourer
Catherine Mawderley 63
Edward Mawderley 24
James Mawderley 21
Margaret Alcock 11
John Aindow 23
Elizabeth Mawderley 28
Kate Aindow 2

Yvonne

There is a tree on Ancestry that has James born 14 Nov 1869
Baptised 21 Nov 1869 Our Lady of Compassion, Formby
amd Catherine baptism 14 Oct 1894 Our Lady of Compassion.

jim feely · Edward Mawdsley born 5th May 1865

Edward Mawdsley was baptised at Our Lady of the Sands Southport on the 14th May 1865. The God Parents were Thomas Mawdsley and Mary Elen Pye. Incidently I am am the son of Irene May Mawdsley the Great Grand daughter of Joseph Mawdsley. There was 9 children from the marriage to Maqrgaret Abram , 1 to Margaret Jones and 2 to Agnes. Incidently which of the 5 sons are you related to

Bez

Don't you mean St Maries on the Sands, Southport, Jim???

jim feely · Sorry

I got the Church mixed up

Dotty · Oh...

...probaly too much excitement for one day!

Dotty

bretwalda

OK, the certificates from the GRO that I referred to last week have arrived (delay courtesy of the postal workers' dispute).

On the Birth Certificate of Margaret Ellen Bond, born 06 March 1874 in Formby, her name is given as Maggy Ellen and her mother is Cecily Bond of Formby. The space for Name and Surname of Father, and the space for Occupation of Father are both left blank. The birth was registered on 14 April 1874 by Cecily Bond, Mother and the Registrar was J. Shepherd.

According to and Entry of Marriage, on 06 June 1894, at the Church of Our Lady of Compassion, Formby, in the District of Ormskirk in the County of Lancaster the marriage took place between James Mawdsley, age 24 years, bachelor, general labourer of Liverpool Road, Formby and Margaret Ellen Bond, age 20 years, spinster also of Liverpool Road, Formby.

The father of James Mawdsley is given as Thomas Mawdsley, Railway Platelayer.

The name of Margaret Ellen Bond's father is not given (the space is struck through). The witnesses were Edward Mawdsley and Agnes Bond. The priest was Wilfrid Carr and the Registrar was J. Shepherd.

Margaret Ellen Mawdsley died on 18 September 1900 and on her Death Certificate she is shown as having died at Liverpool Road, Formby, aged 26 years. She is recorded as being the wife of James Mawdsley, General Labourer. The cause of death is certified as Puerperal Fever, 7 days after confinement, by Dr R P Sykes (I think). The death was registered on 18 September 1900 by J Mawdsley, Widower of deceased, living at Liverpool Road, Formby. The Registrar was J Carr.

I believe that Cecily Bond 1858 was the daughter of Thomas Bond abt 1813 of Formby and Mary Taylor abt 1830. I believe that they married in Q2 of 1857. According to the 1861 Census, Mary was born at sea and the 1871 Census appears to indicate that she was born in Africa but was a British Subject.

I have looked through the posts on nmfss for references to Bonds but haven't found any so far. Any help would be appreciated.

baxtersp

I don't think you've got the right marriage for Cecily's parents. Thomas Bond was my 3rd great granduncle, and his wife Mary Taylor my third great grandaunt (in her own right). Both were born and lived in Banks, and are buried at St John's, Crossens.

From North Meols Parish Registers (on microfiche) at Lancashire Record Office, Marriages 1837 - 1857, PR 3361/1/13 extracted by SPB.
Page 250, Entry 500
1857. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of North Meols in the County of Lancaster
June 27th [1857] Thomas Bond aged 20, Bachelor, Labourer residing in Banks, son of John Bond, Labourer
& Mary Taylor aged 20, Spinster residing in Banks, daughter of James Taylor, Labourer
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church after Banns by me, Charles Hesketh Rector

This Marriage was solemnized between us, The mark x of Thomas Bond, The mark x of Mary Taylor
in the Presence of us, The mark x of James Taylor, Peter Watkinson [signs]

From grave in St John's Church, Rufford Road, Crossens

In Loving Memory Of
Thomas Bond,
Died July 1st 1909
Aged 72 Years.
Also Mary, Wife of the above
Died March 28th 1930,
Aged 92 Years.
"Re- united."

bretwalda

Baxtersp

I believe you are correct and I have picked up the wrong Cecily/Cicely.

I have not got too much further with the antecedents of Margaret/Maggy Ellen Bond 1874 but spent the weekend going back through the family of Thomas Mawdsley 1827. In case the information is of use to anyone else searching the Mawdsley lines, I include my findings so far.

The Family of Thomas Mawdsley 1827

1841 According to the 1841 Census, schoolboy Thomas Mawdsley 12 is shown to be living in premises on Liverpool Road Formby, the home of his parents John Mawdsley 45, agricultural labourer and Isabela Mawdsley 40. Sharing the home were five more of Thomas Mawdsley's sons and two of his daughters. The sons were William Mawdsley 20, Richard Mawdsley 15, James Mawdsley 10, Robert Mawdsley 7 and Edward Mawdsley 5. The daughters were Mary Mawdsley 3 and Alice1 Mawdsley 1. William and Richard Mawdsley were employed as agricultural labourers. All the family was shown as having been born in Lancashire.

1851 According to the 1851 Census, Thomas Mawdsley 22 railway labourer is shown to be living in premises on Liverpool Road Formby, the home of his parents John Mawdsley 57, agricultural labourer and Isabella Mawdsley 53. Also in the home were his brothers Robert Mawdsley and Edward Mawdsley, both agricultural labourers and his schoolgirl sisters Mary Mawdsley 13 and Ellen1 Mawdsley 10. All were shown as having been born in Formby in the County of Lancaster

1861 According to the 1861 Census, Thomas Mawdsley 33 was the family head and was employed as a railway platelayer. He lived at premises on Liverpool Road, Formby with his wife Catherine Mawdsley 31, their son Thomas Mawdsley 3 and two daughters Isabella Mawdsley 6 and Catherine Mawdsley 1. All were shown as having been born in Formby in the County of Lancaster, with the sole exception of Catherine Mawdsley 31 who is recorded as having been born in Southport in the County of Lancaster.

1871 According to the 1871 Census, Thomas Mawdsley 42 was the family head and was employed as a railway labourer. He and his wife Catherine Mawdsley 41 were living at premises on Liverpool Road, Formby with four of their sons and two daughters. The sons were Thomas Mawdsley 13, John Mawdsley 6, Edward Mawdsley 4 and James Mawdsley 1. The daughters were Catherine Mawdsley 11 and Elizabeth Mawdsley 8. All were shown as having been born in Formby the County of Lancaster.

1881 According to the 1881 Census, Thomas Mawdsley 54 was the family head and was employed as a platelayer on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway. He and his wife Catherine Mawdsley 52 were living at premises on Liverpool Road, Formby with 6 of their children and a grandchild. These comprised their unmarried sons Thomas Mawdsley 23 a general labourer, John 16 Mawdsley and Edward Mawdsley 14 who were fishermen and James 11, together with their unmarried daughter Elizabeth Mawdsley 18 a dressmaker. Also living there were their widowed daughter Catherine Alcock 21 working as a charwoman and their granddaughter Margaret Alcock, 1. All were shown as having been born in Formby the County of Lancaster.

1891 According to the 1891 Census, Thomas Mawdsley 63 was working as a railway labourer and living with his wife Catherine Mawdsley 63 and two sons Edward 24 and James 21 Mawdsley in a cottage on Liverpool Road, Formby. Also living with them was their married daughter Elizabeth 28, with her fisherman husband John Aindow 23 and their daughter Kate Aindow 2.

1894 James Mawdsley married Margaret Ellen Bond on 60June 1894 at the Church of our Lady of Compassion, Formby.

1894 Thomas Mawdsley died Q4.

1900 Margaret Ellen Mawdsley died 18 September 1900.

1901 According to the 1901 Census, Catherine Mawdsley 74, was widowed but still alive and living with her son James 31 at his home in Liverpool Road, Formby. James had been widowed in 1900 when his wife Margaret Ellen, nee Bond 1874, had died. Catherine Mawdsley 1827 was accompanied by Margaret Alcock who is described as the niece of the Head of the Family, James Mawdsley.

Also in the household were James' daughters Catherine 6 (my grandmother who died in 1984) and Mary 4 and his son Thomas 3. All were shown as born in Formby in the County of Lancaster with the sole exception of Catherine Mawdsley 74 who was recorded as having been born in North Meols in the County of Lancaster.

Footnotes:

1 Ellen Mawdsley and Alice Mawdsley may possibly be the same person, with the recording clerk mistaking the hand-written notes of the canvasser or the statements of the parents.

Comments and suggestions welcomed. Help with the elusive Cecily/Cicely Bond would be gratefully accepted.

Good hunting

Ron

bretwalda

Please note that the very first sentence of my last post, against 1841, should read ''1841 According to the 1841 Census, schoolboy Thomas Mawdsley 12 is shown to be living...'' etc. The words 'railway labourer shouldnot have been there. My apologies for any confusion - more care needed when cutting and pasting!

Ron

Dotty · Errors

Hello Ron

Thanks for sharing your research.

I'm sure admin would tell you the same but if you realise there is an error on something you have posted you can correct it by clicking on the edit button which is on the top right hand corner of the post.

Good luck with Cecily...

Dotty

bretwalda

Dotty,

Many thanks for that, I had missed it!

Ron

Dotty · Doh!

You're welcome Ron. As you can tell I've used this facility myself to correct Cecily's name...

Dotty

bagpuss

Hello Ron

Was the information I posted on your Cecily BOND thread in the A to D section of any use?

It's from my own extended family tree, so if you disagree with any of it I'd be grateful if you'd let me know?

bretwalda

Jim,

Apologies for the slowness of my response but other distractions have kept me away from the site for a few days.

Yes thank you. Knowing that Mary Taylor was not the mother of Cecily Bond allowed me to get on with searching for other women named Mary that married a Thomas Bond. You may see the results on the Cecily Bond thread.

Thank you again

Ron

bagpuss

Information on family members - Mawdsley

Indeed

parents of Edward Mawdsley

I guess it's true...

More Mawdsleys

Edward Mawdsley born 5th May 1865

Sorry

Oh...

Errors

Doh!