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| BrianG |
JACKSON (Henry) b 1806In the One Name Extracts my gt-gt-grandfather Henry Jackson is listed as the base-born son of Jenny.What was the convention here (if any)? Does this mean that Jenny was the Jackson or the unnamed father? A previous researcher ( my late aunt, a Jackson) seems to have gone for Henry Jackson (b 1782) as the father with an unknown Jenny. However this Henry had a sister Jenny and I am tempted to think that she is the mother and the father is unknown. Are there any other sources which might help clear this up? Brian |
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| unsworth |
base born meant he was illegitimate. his mother was the Jackson. | ||||
| BrianG |
thanks - I suspected as much. At least it's only a minor change to my tree, swap the brother for the sister!! Brian |
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| BrianG |
looks like "our Jenny" was a popular lass:
Jan 22 1804 George s Jenny bb Nov 30 1806 Henry s Jenny bb Jan 22 1809 Mary d Jenny (this one from IGI - not on One-Name-Extracts) Brian |
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| baxtersp |
Hello Brian
I found these on the A2A website http://www.a2a.org.uk/, I think they refer to some of Jenny's children. PETITIONS Ormskirk: Easter 1804 - ref. QSP/2498 FILE - North Meols. Order of filiation and maintenance of bastard son of Edward Rimmer of Birkdale, husbandman, and Jenny Jackson, singlewoman - ref. QSP/2498/30 - date: 1804 5 Apr Ormskirk: Easter 1807 - ref. QSP/2546 FILE - North Meols. Order of filiation and maintenance of bastard son of John Cropper, weaver, and Jenny Jackson, singlewoman - ref. QSP/2546/68 - date: 1807 12 Mar From this is looks like John Cropper was Henry's father. Hope this helps Steve Baxter Church Road, Banks |
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| BrianG |
Steve Many thanks for your help I've not seen that site before - very useful, the dates certainly match well. Regards Brian |
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| baxtersp |
Your welcome Brian.
Yes, a very handy sight. There's lots of little secrets held at the Lancashire Records Office, going back hundreds of years. Even over-payments for Window Tax in 1702. The children of unwed mothers had to be fed and clothed of course, so Orders were taken against the respective fathers to pay towards the child's upkeep. Jenny certainly wasn't on her own, there are hundreds of these Orders on the records. Just enter a surname and see for yourself. There can't be many researchers who haven't come across at least one or two in their ancestors. There's lots of other court records as well, boundary disputes etc. Steve Baxter |
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| BrianG |
I came across this site via the Suffolk FHS
http://www.originaldatabases.co.uk/ Browsing idly through it I came across
I've not (yet) found any other Henry Jacksons b 1806, so it looks like my gt-gt-grandfather Henry was apprenticed at age 8! It is just possible that Thomas Hooton is also in my tree. Think I'll be spending quite a bit of time on this site!! Brian |
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| Bez |
Thomas Hooton 1784-1875 married Ann Jackson (born 1787) 3rd January 1814.
Thomas was one of the sons of John Hooton and Ellen Aughton. |
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| Bez |
This is, or was, Gerry Pallisers site - renamed and without the price list as far as I can tell. |
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| Jane |
You're right Bez. trouble is you put a name in and then when it finds soemthing do you get all the information for free - or do you then have to pay him for more? | ||||
| BrianG |
That's the one - Ann Jackson is (most probably) Henry's auntie. I had not checked for any other Thomas Hooton's. Brian |
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| BrianG |
I don't see any price lists / payment options, or any deeper information than the examples I listed above. In fact apart from the contact form on the homepage there are no clues as to how to get one's mitts on the source documents. The PMID section has quite a lot from Southport - Duke St cemetery etc, lots of Hodge(s) listed; might be of interest!! Brian |
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| Jane |
We know about this site but you used to have to pay for information. Obviously things have changed. 
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| Bez |
Mmmm.... there was another Thomas Hooton probably alive at the time, born in 1763 and married to Martha Ball in 1789. He was the brother of John Hooton, so was the other Thomas's uncle. He was also a weaver. As neither Tom nor Martha appear to have been buried at St Cuthbert's, I suspect that they were interred at Chapel St Congregational. The younger Thomas (John's son) does appear in the St Cuthbert's burial registers in 1875, aged 90yrs and 6 months, but there is no sign of his wife Ann for some reason. |
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| BrianG |
Thomas is on his tod in the 1871 census, and there is an almost certain for wife Ann: BMD Ormskirk 8b 511 Dec Qtr 1868 age 76, Ann Hooton In all the censuses this Thomas is listed as a "sawyer" I guesss he could still have been a weaver himself back in 1814. The children were all christened at the Independent Chapel; they must have been a religious bunch - names included Amos, Jabez, Simion, Ruth and Isaac. The boys became either joiners or blacksmiths, although the girls were all weavers Coincidentally I was contacted a couple of weeks back through Genesreunited by a descendant of Thomas & Ann Hooton B |
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| Bez |
Yes, buried 8th December 1868. I already had that, but the problem is that on the tree I was sent from a cousin in the US, I have a christening/birth date for Ann Jackson of 1st March 1787, so I will have to check the registers. I have looked at the Park database, and Joyce Otterstrom has given a birth year of 1792, which would be correct for a death in 1868. I know that my cousin had made other mistakes, such as the wrong year of death for Ann Hooton who married James Twist, and he had assigned a wife to the wrong Jabez (the first one died), so I could have the wrong data for Ann.
As far as I am aware, only Jabez was a blacksmith, and Amos became a perambulator manufacturer. They would all have been weavers in addition to their other employment, difficult not to have been as the children of John Hooton. As for them being a religious family, well, they were the children of John Hooton and Ellen Aughton, so again, difficult to avoid it. |
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| BrianG |
Of course! I had forgoten about John Hooton; I have not gone into Hooton history much as they are not family until the Jackson marriage, but have just re-read the chapter in Peter Aughtgon's book As for dates, from the Jackson 1-name extracts it was Alice who was chr 15/4/1787, Ann 9/11/1792 Yes Jabez was the blackmith, Amos started as a joiner then became a pram-maker, living in Preston Brian EDIT: correction there were 3 Alices: 1. 1787-1790 2. 1791-1795 3. 1797- 1873 (married William Hooton) |
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| Bez |
Yes, I had corrected the obvious mistakes in the Hooton file sent me by my Hooton relatives overseas when I made the family connection, but obviously hadn't bothered with lines not directly connected to me.
I don't have a one name extract for the Jackson's as I have none (yet) so I have had a look at the transcripts of the Parish Registers. Why the file sent to me gave the date of 1st March 1787 I don't know as no children were baptised on that date. It was my NZ cousin did the original work on this and I think he may have got confused between Alice Jackson baptised on April 15th and Anne Johnson baptised on December 25th of that year. I have had a look for other Ann Jackson's and as well as Ann daughter of Thomas and Betty Jackson of Crossens on 9th November 1792, there was Ann daughter of Richard and Ann Jackson of Churchtown on 27th March 1791. As there are no burials (apart from a few babies of the same name) inbetween then and the wedding of 3rd January 1814, the only thing which separates the 2 women are their ages. Consent of parents was required which would seem to just exclude the one born in 1791, even though she lived in Churchtown so would have otherwise been the far more likely candidate. The next marriage for an Ann Jackson seems to have been a double wedding between 2 sisters on 1st July 1823 when Anne (Ann) Jackson married James Jackson and Elizabeth Jackson married Thomas Cadwell. The witnesses for both were John Ball and Elizabeth Cadwell. |
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| Bez |
Brian,
Just had another look at the Park database and Joyce has Ann Jackson of Crossens down as having a sister Betty (baptised 5th October 1794) and Ann Jackson of Churchtown as having a half sister Elizabeth, baptised 4th August 1805. This latter one would have needed parental consent to marry in 1823, but this is not stated in the transcript - so was either omitted or it was actually the Betty Jackson (of Crossens) baptised in 1794 - in which case it couldn't have been her sister marrying Thomas Hooton. I haven't checked these with the transcripts, but have no reason to doubt Joyce's work on this as she usually looks at the fiches of the actual registers - you will see this if you look at some of the work on her site where she quotes the minister and what they wrote in a lot of instances. So we are back to the parental consent for Ann Jackson needed in 1814. I would be interested in your thoughts on this. |
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| BrianG |
From the 1851 Census HO107 Piece 2196 Folio 562 Page 43
Thomas Cadwell - age 49 Betty Cadwell - age 46 Betty's age gives her birth year as c1805. Therefore she should be the daughter of the Churchtown Jacksons rather than Crossens. They also have a 25 year old daughter, so started producing before 1826. I think the 1823 marriage fits them well The Crossens Jacksons seem to have started off in Churchtown - their 1st daughter Jenny (who started this whole thread!) is listed as b Churchtown. Probably moved to avoid confusion 
There are plenty more Anns & Elizabeths between 1790 and 1810 just to add to the fun Brian |
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| BrianG |
Here's a good one!
Lodging with Thomas Hooton & Ann (Jackson) on the 1851 census is one Thomas Sumner and his wife. From his age this could be the son of James Sumner (parents Thomas & Ellen (nee Cadwell)), whose sister Betty Sumner (c1813) married James Halsall (c1808). Their granddaughter Ellen Halsall (1857) married Nathan Jackson (1856), son of, yes, you guessed, Henry Jackson (1806) And next door, lodging with Peter & Ann Jackson, is Philip Hooton, Thomas & Ann's son. I'm not sure who this Philip Jackson is, but he could be son of James & Ann (both Jacksons!!) Although these Jacksons have crept into my tree they are not actually related - I have accumulated quite a few "cousin in-law" family groups in the tree. Not sure whether to clear them out or not, in the case of the Jacksons / Halsalls etc it's quite handy to have them on file - sooner or later they will probably come into the "related" category anyway! What tangled webs... I think I'll take an aspirin and have a lie down now! :gogol: B |
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| Dotty |
Pass the bottle...I'll drink to that...You've quite made my head spin. How can I find Joyce Otterwotsit's thingy please, I'd like to browse. she may have some of my lot... Dotty 
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| BrianG |
Re: Pass the bottle...
direct link to the "Park" database on Rootsweb: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=park Brian |
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| Dotty |
ThanksHello BrianThanks a lot, I shall have a browse this evening. Dotty 
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| Bez |
I think that's at least the third time a link has been posted on this forum to the Park database........and you're only just taking the plunge now?
It's worthwhile for anyone with a North Meols connection to have a browse because the chances are that you WILL find someone on it that you can link to. |
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| Dotty |
Ouch...Ahh Bez, you have discovered my weakness...extreme laziness!I have kept meaning to browse this veritable feast of information but then I forget and can't remember where it is on the forum...so yesterday I wrote the link in my diary so now I have no excuse (except for the laziness!). Questions are whizzing round my head already but I'll save them until later, TTFN Dotty 
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