keithwwild
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John Abram b 1805Any information please on the marriage of John Abram b 1805.
This one (and we know there are lots of about the same age) was baptised January 4th 1805 (NMFHS one name extracts). In the 41 census he appears age 30 with his wife Alice and three children Isabel, Jane & Richard. In the 51 census his age is shown as 44. This age is slightly adrift from his baptism date but he may not have been baptised at birth. In any event we have traced the other John's born between 1802 and 1807.(If anyone wants the detail let me know)
If the marriage was around his first born birth that gives us about 1835. There is no marriage for this John and Alice in the NMFHS ONE's. There is a marriage for John Abram in the GRO index for Q4 1839 but no matching spouse is shown.
Any ideas who the Alice was???
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clockpelter
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Hi: I have John Abram(4/1/1805) as being Married to Ann Johnson(30/7/1815) on 19/7/1851. In the 1861 Census of Ormskirk - North Meols RG9 Piece 2760F.8;Page 10 are:-(all Born Banks)
Ann Abram (w)aged 47;
Ann Abram (d) 4
Benjamin (s) 26
Edward (s) 7
Ellen ( D) 1
John (Head) 54
Lawrence (s) 10
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keithwwild
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John Abram b 1805Sorry George, I am sure you have the wrong John Abram married to Ann Johnson.
The marriage cert for 19th Jul 1851 shows John's father as Lawrence. Lawrence Abram married Ellen Wright 11th Oct 1802 and had a son John b 19th Apr 1807. The cert doesn't help with ages both John and Ann are shown only as "FA".
After John's marriage to Ann their naming pattern for the Children include an Ann, Lawrence and Edward (Ann's father)
John Abram b 4th Jan 1805 is the son of Richard Abram and Alice Wignall married 25th Jan 1794. It is this John Abram for whom we are trying to find a wife. The census records for 41 thru 61 show John with a wife Alice but which Alice? Their naming pattern for their children include both a John and an Alice.
Incidentally I emailed an extrct from the John/Ann Marriage cert to you on 5 Sep. It must have got lost in the big server in the sky or you have your spam filter set a bit too high.
Keith
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clockpelter
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I now see that I had Ann J married to both Johns, lost most of my data when son inst.new hard drive - managed to recover quite a bit from Roots but in my rush to get back on track I made a mess-up. Have checked all e-mails and cannot find any trace of mail from you so would be most grateful if you could try again.
I have searched for your John in Ancestry BMD and there is an odd entry for Ormskirk Q/E Dec 1939 He is the only entry shown on vol21 p.313- there are no less than 5 Alices noted in that qtr for Lancs, all in vol21 pages 315/316/317&323, the final only has 2 people on it Alice Meadows and William Ball. the others are Alice Blundell, 2 Alice Marshalls and Alice Pinnington. There is an entry in the 1851 Census which I am sure you will know of whci relates to John- aged 44 and his family.
Once again oops and apologies
Regards
Geo
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keithwwild
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John Abram b 1805george,
Copy cert on the way
Keith
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clockpelter
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I now have a copy of Certificate of Marriage of John Abram to Alice Wright on 1/10/1839 at the Parish Church of North Meols. His occupation is Weaver and his father is named as Richard Abram- also a weaver. Alice is the daughter of John Wright - Farmer.
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baxtersp
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Hello George
Where were the Bride and Groom from? Is it Banks?
I have a John & Alice Abram I haven't got a marriage for yet. If she is a Wright she could be Alice Wright baptised 13th February 1814 the daughter of John & Alice Wright, farmers of Banks.
It looks like Alice had at least one daughter, Jane, before she married John. There's a baptism for a Jane Wright 15th February 1835 the daughter of Alice Wright of Banks, Spinster which is probably her.
Here's the Census returns for John & Alice Abram. In 1851 daughter's Jane and Isabella's ages have been mixed up, but it does look like the same family.
From North Meols Census 7th June 1841, District 10, Page 8, Schedule 34
Banks
John Abram male 30 Weaver (all) born in Lancashire
Alice Abram female 25
Jane Abram female 6
Isabella Abram female 2
Richard Abram male 23 days
NB All those over 15 had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 or 10 years on the 1841 Census.
From North Meols Census 30th Mar 1851, District 1i, Page 18, Schedule 62
Long Lane, Banks
John Abram Head Mar 44 Handloom Weaver (satin) born North Meols
Alice Abram Wife Mar 37
Isabel Abram Dau Unm 16 Handloom Weaver (cotton)
Jane Abram Dau Unm 12 Winder
Richard Abram Son 9 Scholar
Betty Abram Dau 6 Scholar
Ellen Abram Dau 4 Scholar
Alice Abram Dau 1
From North Meols Census 7th April 1861, District 2, Page 19, Schedule 96
Long Lane, Banks
John Abram Head Mar 54 Cotton Weaver born North Meols
Alice Abram Wife Mar 47 Weavers Wife
Richard Abram Son Unm 19 Cotton Weaver
Betty Abram Dau Unm 16 Cotton Weaver
Ellen Abram Dau Unm 14 Cotton Weaver
Alice Abram Dau 11 Scholar
John Abram Son 6 Scholar
Leah Abram Dau 3
From North Meols Census 2nd April 1871, District 2, Page 3, Schedule 14
Long Lane, Banks
Alice Abram Head Wid 57 born North Meols
John Abram Son 16 Agricultural Labourer
Ellen Abram Dau 24 Milk & Potato Dealer
Alice Abram Dau 21 Cockle Gatherer
Leah Abram Dau 12 Scholar
From North Meols Census 3rd April 1881, District 2, Page 1, Schedule 4
New Lane, Banks
Alice Abram Head Widow 66 Huckster born Banks
Ellen Abram Dau Unm 34 Huckster
Leah Wignall Dau Mar 22
Thomas Wignall S-in-L Mar 24 General Labourer
John Abram G/son 4
Ann Wignall G/dau 3
Alice Wignall G/dau 1
Steve Baxter
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clockpelter
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Hi Steve
yes they are, if you would like a copy of m/c let me know your e-mai ad.
mine is "geo.abram@ntlworld.com" aka clock
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