Leadbetter: Research at a distance, pre 1837.

franh1946 · Leadbetter: Research at a distance, pre 1837.

My grandmother, born Mary Louisa Leadbetter 1876 in West Derby, was the child of Edward Leadbetter b. Churchtown 1847. Edward eventually became the station master at Halsall with the L & Y Railway. (1901 census) His father was Joseph Leadbetter b. 1822 North Meols, and his father was Robert Leadbetter b. 1801 whose wife was Jane Hooton, child of John Hooten and Ellen Aughton. Most of this information I have been able to verify through the censuses (a wonderful institution; in Australia only a couple have ever been released to the public.) and verifying names etc by obtaining birth and marriage certificates. I have found on other family trees references to earlier generations of my line(s), but the details seem to be unsourced. I suppose my question is: how does a researcher in the colonies gain access to the sources needed to verify that the info on these other trees is correct. I think I need to search Parish/County records in person, is this correct? Regards, Fran

Jane

Fran welcome to our forum

Is there a Family Record Centre near you? These are run by the LDS Church (Latter Day Saints). If they don't have the microfilm for the church you want they can order it in. They don't charge much and are very helpful.

You mention Halsall. My husband's line were from Halsall and I have a really good book about the village history. I'm sure you should be able to obtain it somewhere via the Internet

Halsall, The Village Built on a Rock by John Cotterall

If you take a look at this site you can buy it
http://www.heskethbank.com/history/books.html

I just went to check that out. For sale at almost £40!!!!!! It was £17 when it was first published in 2000. Maybe best to try ebay.

Yvonne

Gosh that is expensive. Abe Books have it for £15.50.

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet...Built+on+a+Rock&x=50&y=16

ray green

I cycled through Halsall twice a day for four years when I worked at Bootle and I never saw a rock. All I recall is a church and a pub. Can Jane explain the title of the book?

Jane

Only by quoting from the book -

West Lancashire's bore holes are a valuable resource. There is no shortage of drinking water. At one time, however, there was a lot more water - too much in fact - above the surface. It was mainly concentrated in three lakes - White Otter (in the present day Mill Lane area 0f Ainsdale), Black otter (a mile to the south) and Gettern Mere (half a mile to the south-east).

Halsall village, therefore, originally grew up on a rock. Experience showed that, in the days before piliing and 'rafts', the moss was not suitable for development. Unlike some local areas, folk followed the scriptural advice that it was the wise rather than the foolish man who built his house on the rock!

The author then goes on to talk about the draining of Martin Mere and the draining of the less stable parts of the Halsall area.

Not sure that will answer your question but without copying the chapter.................

ray green

Thanks Jane. When you see the state of the houses in Scarisbrick New Road, are they still there?, your ancestors were very sensible to find some rocky land at Halsall.

Sandyken · Leadbetter

Noticed this book on the Hesketh Bank site

West Lancashire History
Leadbetter Papers: Being Certain. Aspects of West Lancashire History,14th-19th Centuries by Frank Leadbetter.

Didn't check the relevance or the price!

Jane

Bez

He means the ones which have sunk and are visibly leaning over - yes they are still there.

In the dim and distant past when I was a student nurse, I spent a day with a district nurse and one of the visits was to a woman who lived in one of those houses. It was an odd sensation climbing the stairs and then walking "uphill" from the bedroom door to the woman in the bed. If she had fallen out of bed she would have rolled straight to the door, maybe down the stairs as well.

Bez · Re: Leadbetter: Research at a distance, pre 1837.

BrianG

and two of Jane & Ann's brothers, namely Thomas & William, married my GGG-aunts Ann & Alice Jackson :!:
Brian

Jane

I like the way we keep making connections. I often think anyone with North Meols ancestors are related some how

BrianG

Bez

Yes, they didn't get out much in those days!!

I know I worked out a relationship with you, Brian, but I thought it was on another line - was it the Hooton's? I do hope all of this doesn't count as inbreeding.

BrianG

It get's much worse Bez!

William Leadbetter's daughter Alice (herself already my half-2nd, full-4th AND 5th cousin) went and married my 1st cousin 4x removed (on my Sumner line) Thomas Meadow. Their daughter Charity Meadows married William, the illegitimate son of her father's second wife, Mary Ann Spencer, who is also my 1st cousin 4x removed in her own right, this time on my Halsall line. And that's just the easy bit

You just can't put this stuff in a conventional tree!
I have quite a lot on these families through the 19th century from the censuses. Been working on them with cousin Tom Tasker over in Utah (a 5th cousin 3 times over, plus 8th 9th 10th and 11th cousin) He is descended from Mary Ann Spencer by her first Husband John Tasker. Happy to send some reports if anyone interested.
Brian

PS - I think we were trying to tie our Bartons together. Don't think we succeeded, but we do have Edward Huntt in common I believe, and probably a few more!

Bez

So far I haven't found any Leadbetter's in my trees, and my lines are not quite as complicated but I am seriously thinking of returning to my first love, a program called "Genopro". It can handle quite complicated relationships and you can do what it calls genograms.

Check it out with the link below.

http://www.genopro.com/

BrianG

franh1946

Thanks for all the replies: I'll keep my eye out for a cheaper copy of Cotterall's book, 40 pounds seems to be the cheapest price on Amazon; maybe a litle too expensive for me at the curent exchange rates! Fran

Jane

you could try contacting the publisher. This is the site -

http://www.carnegiepublishing.com/

Bez

Try www.bookfinder.com

They search multiple booksellers.

Currently £18.85 from Abebooks including UK postage but they have reasonable international rates depending on weight.

franh1946

Yes, I should have checked bookfinder first, as I usually do my book buying there. I bought it for 20 pounds- a bargain.Thanks so much everyone. Fran

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