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Glyn · Look for Dawson

I am looking for more info on Robert Dawson b 1783 in Croston, North Meols, Lancashire, England his marriage to Alice Peet b1786 North Meols, Lancashire, England was in North Bank Meols Southport 29 Feb 1808 . I am trying to find his parents, I have search and search but got no were. I have found a lot on the Peets but not the Dawsons. Could any one help

Jane

I have looked on the 1841 census.

I can't find a Robert Dawson to fit

There are 2 Sarah Dawson's born the right time but neither have a husband called Robert

Very odd...can anyone else help?

Glyn

I should have put also Robert Dawson d 30 Sep 1834 North Meols, Lancashire, England and had 11 children one was Richard Dawson b 03 Apr 1808 d 07 Dec 1892 and was burial in Hesketh With Becconsall old church

Marriages at the Church of St Cuthbert
in the Parish of North Meols
Marriages recorded in the Register for the years 1770 - 1812
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/North-M...bert/marriages_1770-1812.html#599
29 Feb 1808 Robt Dawson & Alice Peet from
The Parish of North Meols in the County of Lancashire

I would like to know who his parents were.

Dotty · What...

If North Meols goes as far as Croston then I'm surprised...confirmation please, peeps.

TTFN

Dotty

SeaCopRimmer

Although we do include Hesketh-with-Becconsall in our area I would think you'll have to look beyond North Meols for Croston; if I'm not mistaken Dave Gregson has just finished transcribing the H-w-B Parish Records so you could possibly purchase a copy from our Publications Officer - check the website for her contact details.

Bez

If he was born in North Meols it would have to be Crossens. Otherwise he came from Croston parish.

The 1851 census gives a Robert Dawson aged 20 (Ag Lab) living in Gravel Lane in the house of Thomas Watkinson a handloom weaver of satin, and a family of Baxters (also listed as lodgers).

There were only 2 other people in North Meols at that time named Dawson: Frances aged 31 and Peter aged 17 and they were at 2 separate addresses, which suggests that it was Croston that Robert came from and not Crossens, so his baptism will have to be looked for at Croston Parish Church.

Jane

Just to add North Meols FHS doesn't have anything for Croston. You would need to go to The Lancashire Record Office in Preston to consult the parish records for Croston

Glyn

Henry Dawson, b 1816 the grandson of Robert Dawson was living at Banks, North Meols in the 1841, 1861, 1871 & 1881 census, he was married and had 6 children who were all born in Banks, North Meols, this is just one branch of the Dawson family in North Meols.

SeacopRimmer
Thanks for the suggestion of the book, I will be looking into that shortly.

Bez
I know of this Robert Dawson, he was my great, great grandfather, by 1851 he was widowed but we have no idea who he was married to, he then remarried Isabella Linaker about 1857 in North Meols.

I thank you all for your help and I am sincerely sorry that I suggested Croston was in North Meols, can you please tell me what towns are in North Meols?

baxtersp

John Marius Wilson, Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72)

MEOLS (NORTH), a village, a township, a sub-district, and a parish in Ormskirk district, Lancashire. The village stands on a rivulet, 1 mile from the coast, and 2½ NE of Southport r. station; bears the name of Churchtown; and has a post office of that name under Southport, and a fair on the Monday and Tuesday after 20 Aug.-The township contains also the town of Southport, and the hamlets of Southaws, Hawside, Little London, Higher Blowick, Lower Blowick, Rowe-Lane, Marshside, Crossens, and Banks. Acres, 18,871; of which 10,805 are foreshore-water. Real property, £48,226. Pop. in 1851, 8,694; in 1861, 14,661. Houses, 2,585. The increase of pop. was chiefly in Southport; and arose, there and elsewhere, principally from house-building for mercantile men, and from the establishing of boarding-schools. The property is much subdivided. The manor belongs to the Rev. Charles Hesketh and the Trustees of the late Scarisbrick, Esq. North Meols Hall was formerly the seat of the Heskeths, and is now a farm-house. Hand-loom silk weaving is a principal employment. The sub-district is conterminate with the township. The parish contains also the township of Birkdale; and comprises 10,301 acres of land, and 14,240 acres of water. Real property, £53,178. Pop. in 1851, 9,319; in 1861, 15,947. Houses, 2,822. The living is a rectory in the diocese of Chester. Valne, £844. Patron, the Rev.Hesketh. The church stands at Churchtown; consists of nave, aisles, and chancel, with tower and spire; and contains monuments to the Heskeths and the Fleetwoods. Three vicarages of Southport, and those of Crossens, Banks, and Birkdale are separate benefices. Chapels for Independents, Wesleyans, and Primitive Methodists, a national school, and charities £22 are in North Meols ecclesiastical section; and ten dissenting chapels, a Roman Catholic chapel, and three national schools are in Southport.

Dotty · The forum

Don't you just love this forum? Within 24hrs we have a question answered, families found and a definitive list of townships...are we good or what!??!

Nice one baxtersp

Dotty

baxtersp

There are some transcriptions of Croston Parish records on the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Croston/index.html - although the baptisms only go up to 1685 so far. The marriages however have been transcribed up to 1833, and there are quite a few Dawsons marriages that could belong to Robert's parents.

One of my mother's lines runs through Robert's daughter Catherine (baptised 29th July 1810), my 4th great grandmother. In 1841 she had her siblings Henry, Alice, Robert and Peter living with her in Banks. She has three children, Robert Dawson baptised 6th July 1834, William Dawson born about 1840 and John Dawson born about 1844 then marries George Bond (father of the children) in 1846 and dies in 1848. In 1851 Catherine's children are with George Bond and using his surname.

Robert Dawson (b. 1834) uses Bond as his surname on the 1851, 1861 and 1871 Census (and gives that surname to his children), then moves to Westhoughton and switches back to Dawson from the 1881 to 1901 Census just to confuse me.

William Dawson (b. 1839/40) marries Agnes Tomlin(e)son 15th June 1864 as William Dawson, father named as George Bond, and gives the surname Bond to sons Jonathan born about 1865 (my 2nd great grandfather) and George born about 1868. William dies (as William Bond) 20th February 1869.

John Dawson (born about 1844) marries Mary Ball in 1866 (although I haven't got the certificate yet), but again calls himself (and his children) Bond's on the all the later Census returns.

Bez

Glyn

Yes there was a Robert Dawson (b 1834) uses Bond as his surname his mother was Catharine Dawson (b1810) but there is another Robert Dawson (b 1830) his father and mother was Richard Dawson (b 1808) m 26 Oct 1830 Church of St Cuthbert North Meols to Elizabeth (Betty) Ball (b1812) of North Meols, Lancashire, England. Richard Dawson was the bother Catharine Dawson I think.

I came arcoss this:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ig...?op=GET&db=park&id=I22341
Name: Henry DAWSON
Birth: in Banks, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Christening: 11 JUN 1837 St. Cuthberts, North Meols, Lancashire, England Note: 1
chr 1837 June 11 John s. Henry & Catherine Dawson, Banks, Labourer Text: page 55
Change Date: 22 SEP 2006

Father: George BOND b: in Banks, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Mother: Catharine DAWSON b: in Banks, North Meols, Lancashire, England

Sources:

Type: Vital Record
Title: The Registers of Cuxton and North Meols 1813-1837 Transcribed by Baxter & Burgess
Date: 1990
Media: book
Location: FHL

Do I read this as John is the son of Henry & Catherine Dawson
(chr 1837 June 11 John s. Henry & Catherine Dawson, Banks, Labourer)

confuse Glyn

Glyn

I have just had a look at the census for 1861 and Robert Dawson b 1830 his back with his family as Robert Dawson age 30 and he is a widow the same as the 1851 census Robert Dawson age 20 and he was a widow. Looks the same Robert who then when off to Westhoughton

Confuse, again

Dotty · Rhyme

Who was it said that "Family history is like hide and seek: they hide, we seek!"

baxtersp

Yes, the baptism does say John s. of Henry & Catherine Dawson (as Joyce says), but that's the only time Henry & Catherine Dawson appear in the Parish Registers. I think Joyce has taken this to be another of the base born children of Catherine/Catharine, I haven't been so brave yet.

It would be easier if the base born would pick a surname and stick with it, but often they switch surnames over time. If Catherine's son William (born about 1840) had lived any longer perhaps he would have gone back to his mother's surname, and my mum would have been born a Dawson and instead of a Bond.

I know the family were a rather surprised William was married as a Dawson, but at least George Bond was named as his father when he marries Agnes Tomlinson. Even if George Bond wasn't his father I'm still related to George as I'm also descended from his brothers John Bond (1798-1887) and William Bond (1808-1883).

I haven't found a marriage yet for Robert Dawson/Bond and his wife Isabella (the one's who move to Westhoughton), so I can't say for certain he was from George Bond & Catherine Dawson although it does look like him. His age goes up and down a bit on the Census, (in 1861) 27, then 38, 49, 58 and finally 66 in 1901 but that sort of thing happens quite a bit.

I'd better go, I've just got a couple more Marriage Certificates in the post (not Dawson's I'm afraid).

Glyn · Robert Dawson/Bond

If you look at the 1841 census page 54 for North meols, you will find Robert Dawson age10 son of Richard Dawson age 30, a bit lower down the page you will find another Robert Dawson age 10 son of Catharine Dawson age 30. Still on the same page, next door there is a Bond family with a George Bond age 30 and also a Robert Bond age 15.
So there are two Robert Dawson one when of to Westhoughton and Atherton (where I come from) and the other when with Catharine who married George Bond. That is the way I see it but any help with this would be appreciated.

baxtersp

Hello Glyn

The Robert Bond aged 15(ish) is the son of George's brother John Bond and his wife Sarah (nee Howard), incidentally also my 4th great grandparents twice over through their daughters Ellen and Jane Bond (Banks is a small place). The Robert Dawson aged 7 with George Bond seems to be his son by Catherine baptised 6th July 1834 at St Cuthbert's.

The Robert Dawson with Richard & Elizabeth is their son (baptised 14th November 1830 at St Cuthbert's), and Catherine's nephew. The Robert Dawson with Catherine is her brother, baptised 4th October 1829 at St Cuthbert's.

I think the Robert & Isabel Dawson who ends up in Westhoughton may have married as Bond's. There is a (possible) marriage for a Robert Bond to an Isabella Blundell Jan-Feb-Mar 1860, Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 727, although I haven't ordered the certificate yet to make sure. Robert & Isabel certainly seem to call themselves Bond until they move to Westhoughton anyway.

Regards

Steve Baxter

Glyn · Robert Bond/Dawson

Hello Steven, I have been having another look this afternoon and come up with this - what do you think? Robert Bond married Isabel Bond - both on 1861 census Ref: RG 9/2760 page 6 for North Meols living at 33 Hoole Lane in 1861. Robert Dawson living with Richard Dawson (his father) at 37 Hesketh Moss(?) in 1861 Census Ref RG 9/2763 page 9 (Hesketh with Becconsall). Robert is a widower. The same Robert Dawson living as a lodger at 16 Gravel Lane in 1851 census Ref HO107-2196 page 4. I suspect this is the same Robert Dawson (son of Richard) because he is a widower in this census also. Just to confuse matters - I think they both married an Isabel. I have an Aunty that was named after her.
I have a family tree on Roots Web - you will find it in my profile or let me know and I will post it to you. Its an on-going thing, probably with some mistakes. Thankyou for your help with this matter. Off to Southport tomorrow to return some papers I got from the library.

baxtersp

Hello Glyn

Yes, I was looking at your tree on Rootsweb the other day. I thought mine was on Rootsweb as well, but I've checked and I only put it on Ancestry.com.

I'll download my tree to Rootsweb tonight and see if that scares up any interest.

Regards

Steve Baxter

baxtersp

Hello Glyn

I've put my direct line ancestors on Rootsweb, just for a start. I've called the database SPB1.

The notes haven't transferred too well, there a few line breaks missing, but it'll do for now. If nothing else it'll remind me of all the bits I haven't put right since I downloaded them from Joyce Otterstrom's tree ages ago (before she corrected them).

Regards

Steve Baxter

Glyn

Thanks for that I will have a look at your tree, it should be interesting.

Robert Dawson I still cannot find who he married though, tried both Linaker & Blundell but no luck. (www.ancestry.co.uk)

SeaCopRimmer

Was going to say I'd found Robert Bond marrying Isabella Blundell but you've already got that one? Senior moment

Glyn

I have searched Lancashire BMD for Robert Bond and Isabel BLUNDEL from 1852 to 1865 and can not find them. But I got this from Steve Baxter "Robert Bond to an Isabella Blundell Jan-Feb-Mar 1860, Ormskirk Registration District, Volume 8b, Page 727". Would this be enough info

Glyn

I have just answer my own question on the info I phone register office and asked. I have order the certificate £8.50 for Robert and Isabel Bond.
I think you where right Steve. It looks like Robert Bond and family changed there names to Dawson when he moved to Westhoughton.

Jane

You can order certificates directly from the GRO online for £7. You would need the district & page number but you have them.

However I have usually found registry offices are quicker. Obviously for a marriage in a large town the local registry office can't or won't be able to supply the certificate without knowing the church - and that is usually the thing you want to find out.

There is a thread on the forum about ordering certificates too

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