Marshall - Birkdale

GardenAngel · Marshall - Birkdale

Keen to share information on the Marshall family of Birkdale and North Meols. From William Marshall born 1674, North Meols to Jane Marshall born 1896, Birkdale. Happy to share my files with anyone who thinks they may have a link.

Other Marshall names from my tree:

Alice b1898; Ann b1817; Ann b1881; Ann b1890; Henry b1894; James b1835; Jane b1896; John b1697; John b1784; John b1884; Margaret b1879; Mary Jane b1859; Robert b1750; Robert b1791; Robert b1827; Robert b1856; Thomas b1894; William b1674; William b1724; William b1831; William b1877.

SiTodd · Marshalls

My line of Marshalls starts at the moment with Joseph Marshall (1831) of North Meols. It would be interesting to see if we match up?

HodgePodge

My GGG grandmother was Ellen Marshall, who I think may have been the daughter of James Marshall and Jane Rymer... though no Ellen Marshalls seem to exactly match her age in census returns/grave inscription.

However, assuming this to be the line, James was son of John Marshall and Ann Soar, and John the son of William Marshall and Elizabeth Robertson.

What I am interested in is that James' baptism in 1746 lists his father as John Marshall (transported). I assume this means he was found guilty of some petty crime between James' concenption and baptism and was transported to the colonies (I would guess Virginia possibly at this point in history).

I would love to know more about this transportation and the crime he committed.

Graham1

Hi
May i see any information you have with regard to Marshall, Birkdale. I have Marshall within my family from Birkdale, any information you may be able to offer would be appreciated
Thanks
Graham
GMeath@aol.com

Jane

you may have to be a bit more specific.

Margaret Barlow born 1857 Halsall

Parents - Henry & Margaret MARSHALL married 1854

Her parents - Robert Marshall & Mary Harrison married January 1831 Halsall

Robert born 1808 Birkdale
Parents - William & Elizabeth Bolton

Graham1

Hi
The Marshalls i have in Birkdale are
Ann 1774
Ann 1802
Catherine 1742
Edward 1745
Ellen 1810
Ellen 1821
Gilbert 1819
Henry 1808
Henry 1813 x2
James 1828
Margery 1776
Margery 1812
Mary 1748
Mary 1851 (My Gg Grandmother)
Peter 1823
Robert 1717
Robert 1778
Robert 1815
Robert 1816 x2
Robert 1846
Thomas 1741
Thomas 1773
Thomas 1777
Thomas 1806
Thomas 1843
Mary Jane abt 1851 is a direct relative to me, her family lived on what we know now as Hillside Golf, then it was Hillside Farm/Cottages, the address was 1 Hastings Road? my mum lived at that addrees till about 1955, as far as i know the cottage still stands
Thanks
Graham
GMeath@aol.com

HodgePodge

further to the transportation issue.... it wasn't John Marshall who was transported, it was his wife, Anne. The extracts don't mention the mother's name in James' baptism, but it seems the original entry states that he was son of John Marshall and Anne, his wife transported.

Further to this, at Lancaster Assizes, Anne was found guilty of stealing 22 shillings and sentenced to 7 years' transportation to the American colonies. This was deferred until she had given birth to the child she was carrying (though women often quickly got pregnant to avoid execution or transportation in the hope that they could appeal or bribe their way out of the sentence in the intervening months).

Clearly Anne (née Soar) was transported before James' baptism. I haven't yet managed to find anything on her transportation or what became of her in America.

James' father, John Marshall, was first married to Ellen Bibby, whose father was Miller at Ainsdale and first Miller at Birkdale Mill in 1750 (Ellen was born in Ainsdale Mill a few years before the move).

HodgePodge

I've discovered that Anne's transportation is amongst records compiled in a set of books by Peter Wilson Coldman. These are available at Liverpool Central Library so I'll post back when I've got there to check them out. At best, the records will confirm the crime & sentence and also the date of departure, ship and her destination.

André

André

My Marshall line:

Jane Marshall born 1812 Birkdale dau.of

Barnaby Marshall born 1789 Birkdale son of

James Marshall born 1746 Birkdale son of

John Marshall born 1697 (Birkdale?) son of

William Marshall and Elizabeth Robertson

mjayt7 · Marshall

Hi All,

Am trying to establish that Elizabeth b 1839, who married my great grandfather Reginald Aspinwall, fits at the bottom of this line;

John Marshall b c1640

William Marshall b c1667 North Meols
Married 31.8.1696 North Meols
Elizabeth Robertson b1671 North Meols

John Marshall bp 7.5.1697 Birkdale
Married 29.4.1740
Ann Sory (or Sawyer/Soar) b 1715

James Marshall bp 11.5.1746 Birkdale
Married 21.7.1766
Ellen Bibby 1.9.1745 Ainsdale Mill – d 1773, dau Joseph Bibby

Joseph Marshall b 1768 Birkdale
Married 17.10.1796
Margaret Rymer b 1769 Birkdale – d 1812, dau Gilbert Rymer & Anne Bond

James Marshall b c1801 Ormskirk
Farmer
Married 8.8.1820
Mary (Howard?) if so bp 6.6.1799

Can anyone help?

SeaCopRimmer

In "Families and Cottages of Old Birkdale and Ainsdale" edited by Syliva Harrop, it indicates that it was James Marshall (son of John of Weathercock Farm) who married Ellen Bibby, daughter of Joseph Bibby, miller of Ainsdale; he lived to be 92 and had fourteen children by Ellen and his second wife, Jane Rymer.
This small book also outlines the case of Anne but says that nothing is known of her after she was transported to America.
I have been contacted by a guy wo lives in Shaws Road who is descended from John and Anne - but he didn't want me to write down in a family tree any details of Anne's crime because he didn't want the rest of his family to know about it!

HodgePodge

My current hunt is for information on Carr's House, which was occupied by Henry Marshall in 1845. I've done a bit on Henry (son of Robert Marshall & Dorothy Rymer, married Jane/Jenny Livesey.

In 1841, Henry was living in "Hills Side" with his father & siblings, the eldest child in the house, but his older brother, Thomas, was next door. I'm not sure if this is Carr's House (which isn't listed by name in the censuses)... but if it was, then one might expect Thomas to have taken it over, rather than Henry. Also, Robert was still alive in 1861, which means it's unlikely Henry got his farm from his father.... however, I do wonder how Henry managed to be a farmer in his own right only 4 years after leaving his father's home & marrying when he hadn't inherited it (perhaps he was running it for his father).

Anyway, Henry was running the farm attached to Carr's House in 1845. In 1851, he's just listed as living in Birkdale, a farmer of 16 acres with his wife & children Ellen, Robert & Thomas. By 1861, he had moved to Aughton's House, close to the Ash Tree, farming 23 acres. He later moved to Windy Harbour Rd.

I'm not specifically seeking information on Henry & family, though I would like to know them as much as possible, but I'm particularly interested in anything else relating to Carr's House.

I know it had disappeared by 1893, and Dunkirk Rd was built on the land.... this house appears to have sat on my parents' land.

Jane

I can't help but it might be better if you asked for help on Carr House under - if you need help? More people may look than something under Marshall

HodgePodge

yes, I wasn't really sure where best to put it, so plonked it in a place where anyone who knew henry well might also know something about the house he lived in (though I am also interested in Henry... I can't seem to find his father, Robert's, baptism)

I appreciate that this isn't, technically, a North Meols appeal... but it's impossible to completely separate North Meols and Birkdale, given their close relationship before the merge.

Jane

I think you will find there are people would argue we cover Birkdale too. I know some of our members have ancestors in that area so hopefully someone will be able to help.