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| BIGALB |
NATHAN RIMMERHi,Can anyone please help? I am trying to find any information on a Nathan Rimmer .I have little or no information about him , only that he served with the south lancashire regiment in the first world war.He died 26/10/1918 in France/Belgium.He was my father-in-law's grandfather.Any information would be gratefully received Regards ALAN |
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| Jane |
Have you tried the Common Wealth war grave site?
http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 Or the 1901 census - the index is free to search. http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ There is a Rimmer expert on here who may answer later. Oh and there is also the Rimmer FHS http://www.rimmerreviewonline.com/ So a few places to start Family history is always best started with what you know and working backwards. So Father in law's marriage certificate would give his father's name. Once you know who his father was you then need his birth certificate for his parents' names. A marriage certificate would give names and ages (hopefully). Once back to 1901 then as I say the index is searchable online. If you can find out a little more then we may be able to help further but hopefully I have given you something to go on for now |
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| unsworth |
according to my "Southport's Splendid Hearts" book which list southports fallen of WWI I have
Rimmer, N 3513647 (88890) Private 2nd battalion Manchester Regiment Killed 24-7-1920 during the Arab revolt in Iraq in 1920 Commonwealth War Graves Register Information Commemorated on the Basra Memorial, Iraq age 20 son of Thomas and Alice Rimmer of 1 Lloyds Siding, Birkdale, Southport though on checking the 1901 census there is a Nathan father thomas mother annie sister alice 1901 England Census Name: Nathan Rimmer Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Southport Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:124 High Park rd Registration district: Ormskirk Sub-registration district: North Meols ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Alice M Rimmer 7 Annie Rimmer 36 Nathan Rimmer 1 Thomas Rimmer 33 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3540; Folio: 129; Page: 9. |
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| SeaCopRimmer |
"Southport's Splendid Hearts" is a splendid book - but is a list of Southport-born men and therefore not just men who lived or enlisted in Southport - which creates slight difficulties (I know - my great-uncle Matthew Howard is listed and he enlisted in Canada and there is no mention of him on the 1901 England Census, so he was very difficult to find).
Whilst in Southport Reference Library this morning I asked if they would check for Nathan Rimmer on the Soldiers Died in the Great War CD-rom? They came up with the following: Regiment, Corps, etc: Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment) Battalion/etc. : 1/5th Battalion Surname : RIMMER Christian Name(s) : Nathan Initials : N Born : Southport, Lancs Enlisted : Leigh, Lancs Residence : ........ Died Date : 26/10/18 Rank : Private Died How : Killed in action Theatre of War : France & Flanders Number : 15936 So it would appear that Nathan Rimmer may have lived in Leigh and not in Southport when he enlisted; it is odd that he's not in the "Splendid Hearts" book though? I feel a trip to The National Archives at Kew might throw some light on this if by any chance his Service Record has survived? |
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| Jane |
Can I sort out the confusion in my head
Seacop - I thought he was in the book? Unsworth has written it out Or are you saying there are 2 Natham Rimmers, similar age, both died in the first war? Very possible with that surname. As for enlisting in Leigh. One of my great uncles from Lincoln who died in the first war - said he enlisted in Leeds. He had been in the army for about 12 years before the war started so actually didn't really enlist. He was based in Leeds at the time. Hopefully Bigalb will be back soon. Would like to hear his views. |
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| SeaCopRimmer |
Unsworth has the wrong Nathan Rimmer; we know from Bigalb's post that his Nathan died in Belgium in 1918!
My great-uncle Matthew Howard is in the "Splendid Hearts" book and he enlisted in Canada - which is why I thought that Bigalb should search further afield - just in case he was working in Leigh or the family had moved! |
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| unsworth |
took another look on the 1901 census there are a few Rimmer's living in Wigan. if my memory serves me correct Leigh is only about 10 miles from wigan. which would account for his enlisting in leigh. could one of these be the guy you are looking for?
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Civil parish County/Island View Image Nathan Rimmer abt 1842 Crossens, Lancashire, England Father-in-law Aughton Lancashire Nathan Rimmer abt 1864 North Meols, Lancashire, England Visitor Chorley Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Thomas,Mary abt 1884 Southport, Lancashire, England Son Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Jane abt 1854 Southport, Lancashire, England Head Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Ann abt 1839 Southport, Lancashire, England Head Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Sarah A abt 1869 Southport, Lancashire, England Head Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Mary abt 1880 Southport, Lancashire, England Head Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Thomas,Annie abt 1900 Southport, Lancashire, England Son Southport Lancashire Nathan Rimmer abt 1876 Salford, Lancashire, England Boarder St Helen Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Robert,Elizlett abt 1886 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Wigan Lancashire Nathan Rimmer Hannah abt 1835 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Head Tong Yorkshire William Mathaniel Rimmer abt 1835 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Inmate Walton On The Hill Lancashire Nathaniel J Rimmer James,Ellen abt 1888 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Wigan Lancashire |
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| SeaCopRimmer |
Appreciate the amount of work here, Unsworth, but unless we have an approximate age for Bigalb's Nathan Rimmer then we're all working in the dark! It's not likely that anybody born before c.1870 would have been a soldier in the Great War 
Where are you Bigalb - we need some answers :?: |
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| BIGALB |
nathan rimmer confusionHi everybody, sorry for not replying sooner.My father-in-law's dad was David Prescott born in Leigh 29/6/1905.We don't think that Nathan was married to David's mum and think that Prescott may be her surname.I can only apologise for the vagueness of this enquiry but we have no birth or marriage certs for reference. Thanks once again for all your help.Alan |
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| SeaCopRimmer |
Hi Bigalb
The plot thickens! At least we now have a 'Leigh' connection? Take care |
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| Dotty |
WowWell, I can't believe I've missed all the excitement...How come, if I've been out of commission, I haven't got all these posts listed as ones since I was last on the forum? It will teach me to be off-colour! TTFN Dotty  
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| Dotty |
Wakey wakeyIt's been quiet on here lately...Dotty
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| Jane |
Obviously no new leads Dotty
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| Yvonne |
I have a Nathan Rimmer born c 1822 in my Howard line.
He married Elizabeth Howard 28 Aug 1848. By 1871 Nathan & family are living in Wigan. There is a young Nathan age 7 then. Elizabeth appears to have died by 1891 as Nathan Snr is with wife Eliza and have found a Wigan death for a Elizabeth Rimmer in Wigan, but not confirmed that it is her. Nathan Jnr is with father on 1891 census age 27 RG12/3056 fFolio 74 Page 5 This may or may not help to narrow down your Nathan. Yvonne |
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| unsworth |
has bigalb got his father in laws birth certificate yet? best to verify his parents then work from there. costs money but worth it. | ||||
| SeaCopRimmer |
Wigan Cemetery Burials:
13.06.1888; Mary Elizabeth Rimmer; 26 years; Dawber Street 05.03.1891; Elizabeth Rimmer; 65 years; 2 Dawber Street 02.11.1893; Nathan Rimmer; 70 years; 2 Dawber Street Bear in mind that Nathan's wife on the 1891 Census could have been Elizabeth (Eliza for short)! Found the above on www.wiganworld.co.uk (a site that Jane passed on to me) |
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| Yvonne |
Just noticed on some census information that I have been sent today.
RG12/3056 Folio 74 Page 5 Nathan Rimmer 1821 Head, Widower 2 Dawber Street. |
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| Marymar |
Re: NATHAN RIMMER
I'm also researching this Nathan Rimmer, who was born in Southport and subsequently moved to Leigh. I have a lot of information on descendants and on related lines. I would very much like to know who his parents were. Checks on Ancestry are frustrating because there is more than one Nathan who fits the bill and who was born around the same time in the same area. Any help much appreciated and I'll be pleased to share what information I have. |
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| Yvonne |
Marymar,
Was Nathan definitely born in Southport?? Another family with a Nathan living in Wigan in 1901 Robert Rimmer 45 Elizlett Rimmer 46 Emily Rimmer 23 Ellen Ann Rimmer 21 Mary E Rimmer 17 Nathan Rimmer 15 born Wigan RG13; Piece: 3557; Folio: 61; Page: 28. The father, Robert, could possibly be the son of Nathan and Elizabeth nee Howard, (as previously mentioned). Dates fit with what I know of his approx birth date. |
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| BrianG |
That's how I have this family recorded. Did quite a bit of "census-chasing" on this lot recently; this was following up another thread subject Samuel Jackson who married an Alice Rimmer, Nathan's brother. They are both children of of Robert Rymer (c1791) and Margaret Barton (c1793). Nathan & Elizabeth upped sticks to Wigan to work on the railways Brian |
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| Marymar |
The Nathan Rimmer that Bigalb and I are independently searching for was born c 1878 in North Meols, Southport. He married Alice Prescott at St Stephen's Church, Banks, on 4 Sept 1907. Their children included Mary Ellen Rimmer, b Leigh, c 1908, who married Arthur Gilman. I'm aware that buying a certificate is very likely to solve the problem of distinguishing this Nathan Rimmer from the others who were in Southport around the same time, but am working to a limited budget on behalf of someone else so I'm hoping that out there someone may be able to identify the Nathan I'm searching for without having to buy a certificate. This one was a member of the Prince of Wales Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment) Battalion: 1/5th Battalion. His Number was 15936 and he was killed in action in Belgium on 26 Oct 1918. I have a subscription to Ancestry so can check census returns but have been stymied so far by the Rimmer of the same name (all, perhaps, related to one another!). Any help or advice would be much appreciated, both by me and by the person I am trying to help. (You all seem such a helpful lot on the Forum that I feel there must be someone out there who can advise!) Thank you. Mary |
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| Yvonne |
Brian, do you mean Alice, Nathan's sister. Joyce O has her marrying Thomas Cadwell 25 Nov 1834 |
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| BrianG |
Hi Yvonne Yes Alice Rimmer sister of Nathan. While I was researching Alice & Nathan it became clear from censuses that this Alice could not be the one who married Thomas Cadwell, but did indeed marry Samuel Jackson. I had a long email correspondence with Joyce and she agrees. She also confirmed it by checking the Wigan All Saints PRs where it says Alice is d of Robert Rimmer. Joyce has upfated her own database; I'm sure "Park" will be updated in due course!. After the musical chairs had stopped Thomas Cadwell has ended up (pro tem at least) with Alice Rimmer 29 Jan 1815, d of Richard Rymer & Alice Halsall Hope that makes sense! Brian |
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| Yvonne |
Thanks Brian, will amend my family tree 
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| BrianG |
This all ties in with the "Rimmer/Rymer" thread; in fact it was Sheila who first indicated that the Alice's were with the wrong husbands.
I've had a few instances recently where new information has led to a re-evaluation of data in Park ; most notably an Ellen Blundell moved within the space of an afternoon from "not related" to "7th cousin" to "1st cousin"  Joyce is always pleased to get new information!
Brian |
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| Yvonne |
Brian,
Just carrying on from the above, is this the Samuel Jackson do you know who married Alice Elizabeth Jackson 49 Israel Jackson 14 Amelia Jackson 23 (Rimmer on actual census) Richard Rimmer 25 Samuel Jackson 25 RG12; Piece: 3396; Folio 53; Page 16; GSU if so, could be that Nathan and Alice's brother Richard married Amelia, sister of Samuel. 
NO scrub that just realised Samuel would be c1815, got carried away 
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| BrianG |
Brian |
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| Yvonne |
Redid my mail and noticed you had replied. | ||||
| Marymar |
[quote="BrianG"][quote="Yvonne"]slyMarymar,
"Was Nathan definitely born in Southport?? Another family with a Nathan living in Wigan in 1901" I'm told by Nathan's grandson that his grandfather was born in Southport, and he confirms that the medal record for 15936, killed in action in Belgium in 1918, is his grandfather. He also says that his father was over 40 when he died, which means, if correct, that the Nathan born in Wigan must be a different person. Thanks a lot to Yvonne and Brian for your efforts on our behalf. The mystery deepens! Mary |
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| BrianG |
Mary
Do you know if Nathan's wife was called Lydia? Brian |
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| Marymar |
Her name was Alice Prescott and they were married at St Stephens, Banks, on 4 Sept 1907. Obviously buying the certificate ought to clear up the parentage question, but I'm trying to keep costs down - especially when there is a distinct possibility of ordering the wrong one! Thanks, Mary |
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| BrianG |
That's ok - it just rules out the 1864 Nathan who married his own 1st cousin Lydia Caunce in 1900. He was probably too old anyway
Brian |
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| Yvonne |
Mary,
Looking at Nathan Rimmer's on Free BMD from 1875-1880, birth and deaths born Lancashire Deaths Sept 1876 RIMMER Nathan 4 Ormskirk 8b 478 RIMMER Nathan 28 Ormskirk 8b 489 Births Mar 1877 RIMMER Nathan Salford 8d 80 Births Jun 1877 RIMMER Nathaniel Ormskirk 8b 779 Births Sep 1879 Rimmer Nathan Ormskirk 8b 799 Births Jun 1880 RIMMER Nathan Ormskirk 8b 832 Deaths Sep 1880 RIMMER Nathan 0 Ormskirk 8b 517 RIMMER Nathan 0 Ormskirk 8b 617 If the two deaths Sept 1880 are the ones born Sept 1879 and June 1880, then that only leaves Nathaniel born 1877 Ormskirk district or Nathan born Salford area. Free BMD states it is fully transcribed 1870-1889, births and deaths |
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| BrianG |
Coincidentally Mary has contacted me via my Tribalpages tree and I've just sent her the same by e-mail. Could he have been registered as Nathaniel then reverted to Nathan? The 1881 census suggests parents may have been Edward & Margaret Rimmer, with Margaret possibly being a Barton (1868 marriages Spt Qtr)
Brian |
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| Marymar |
Nathan RimmerMany thanks to Yvonne and to Brian for their detective work on my behalf. You've given us a lot to think about. I'l let you know when we have a definitive answer to this puzzle - unless of course you or someone else enlightens us first!Thank you again, and happy Christmas to all. Mary |
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