sheilarmarland
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Rymer/Rimmer
Have Alice Rymer/Rimmer born 1815 parents Robert Rymer and Margaret Barton. Think Alice married a Samuel Jackson born 1817. Cannot find when they married nor where they lived prior to 1871. On the 1871 faded census I think their address was Temperance Hall North Meols and Samuels occupation was Hall Keeper Porter. Alice's father Robert llived with them. On the 1871 census they lived in Bankfield Lane, North Meols and Samuel was a Boat superintendent at the Botanic Gardens! Any information on Alice and Samuel would be helpful. Thanks 
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BrianG
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Hi
The "Park" database has this Alice married to one Thomas Cadwell. It would be interesting if you can prove a different marriage... 
Brian
(Alice is a 1/2 3rd cousin  )
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Germaine
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This must be the marriage you are looking for Shelia but don't know if it is the right Alice.
Germaine
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JACKSON Samuel RIMMER Alice All Saints,Wigan Wigan & Leigh C33/2/461
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BrianG
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Believe it or not there are 3 Alice Rimmers in the frame:
chr 22/1/1815, d of Robert Rimmer & Margaret
chr 29/1/1815, d of Richard Rimmer & Alice
chr 29/1/1815, d of John Rimmer & Ann
plus (although probably a year too old) 2 Alice Rymers
chr 6/2/1814, d of Robert Rymer & Elizabeth
chr 6/2/1814, d of William Rymer & Ann
Samuel Jackson could be the one christened at the Wesleyan Chapel 26/5/1816, s of John Jackson & Jenny Rymer/Rimmer 
Strange that Samuel & Alice should marry in 1840 then disappear for 30 years, to pop up on the 1871 on census living with the old man Robert, who is the right age too; which does point fairly conclusively to it being Alice # 1
I think I'm convinced! I wonder which one Thomas Cadwell actually married?
Brian
(PS just realized I've got a distant interest in all those Alice Rimmers  )
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Germaine
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Hi Bryan and Shelia,
Have only had a quick look but we know from the census that her father was Robert and I think I found a Robert with a daughter the right age in 1861 with mother Elizabeth which points to what Brain says Alice one.
But where were they for 30 years
Think that will give me something different to look for this morning if I find anything I will let you know. They must have been around somewhere.
Germaine
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Germaine
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Think I might have found something.
IGI
LYDIA JACKSON Pedigree
Female
Birth: 1841 Southport, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: SAMUEL JACKSON
Mother: ALICE JACKSON .
1841
Lydia Jackson abt 1841 Lancashire, England Preston, Lancashire
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BrianG
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| Germaine wrote: |
1841
Lydia Jackson abt 1841 Lancashire, England Preston, Lancashire |
Pity that IGI record is a "member submission!" Could have been useful getting Lydia's siblings
The 1841 census reference is:
HO107; Piece 499; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Preston; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 32; Folio: 18; Page: 29; Line: 22; GSU roll: 306888.
But still missing in 1851
Brian
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Germaine
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Yes that is what I thought Brian. No I can't find any sign of them yet after 1841.
Germaine
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Jane
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If it is a member submission you can actually get in touch with them. It is likely they are researching that family for their own genealogy.
I managed to make contact with a member because the entry was down as that. Sadly it was an elderly lady in America who just liked the name so added it along with her own ancestors..................
But it was so long ago I can't remember who I had to write to - I think it was an American address. Not sure if they work in the same way now either but it might be worth having a look at their site.
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Germaine
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HiJane it just says
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
Nothing on the ancestral file.
Germaine
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BrianG
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| Jane wrote: |
who just liked the name so added it along with her own ancestors..................
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that's the big danger with the member submissions, they must be treated with suspicion. Often of course it's Joyce - then we be more confident!
B
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Germaine
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Well still looking have found father Robert in 1851.
Germaine
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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2196; Folio: 428; Page: 20; GSU roll: 87205
Robert Remmer abt 1792 North Meols, Lancashire, England Lodger North Meols, Lancashire
And 1861 but no sign of Alice and Samuel.
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2761; Folio: 90; Page: 53; GSU roll: 543025
Robt Rimmer abt 1791 North Meols, Lancashire, England Boarder North Meols, Lancashire
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BrianG
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don't ya just love Ancestry
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Germaine
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Oh don't they just, they do like to make things easy NOT!!!
Still makes it a challenge.
Germaine
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sheilarmarland
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Alice and SamuelHi everyone just got on line and you guys have sure been busy!! Thanks to all of you. I agree with the thought that mine and Brian's Alice is the first one just wondered where they disappeared to for 30 years. America, Canada? On the census it does say he was a boatman, also says at the botanical gardens, so was he an actual boatman in which case he could have been at sea. Just a thought. Will keep searching land and sea.
Sheila
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Jane
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I would think boatman meant maybe on the canal? but that is a guess. If he was at sea then surely the family wouldn't have been with him. But on a barge they could have been anywhere along the canal on the move and have been missed off the census - or as we all know they are there somewhere but under what transcribed name?
One day when you least expect they will appear but with all these other people helping hopefully it won't be long
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SeaCopRimmer
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I agree with Jane; boatman means on the canal or a river but not at sea (he would be seaman or mariner). If he worked the canals he could be anywhere between Liverpool and Wigan (or at any of the links in between) - not easy to find! Oh I do wish they'd all stayed at home
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sheilarmarland
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Yes on a barge on a canal seems likely. Will look further into that and keep you posted Thanks
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Germaine
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I agree if his family were with him probably on a barge .
Germaine
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Bez
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Re: Rymer/Rimmer | sheilarmarland wrote: |
On the 1871 faded census I think their address was Temperance Hall North Meols and Samuels occupation was Hall Keeper Porter. Alice's father Robert llived with them. On the 1871 census they lived in Bankfield Lane, North Meols and Samuel was a Boat superintendent at the Botanic Gardens! ( |
But this clearly says that Samuel was a Boat superintendant at the Botanic Gardens. There have always been boats on the Serpentine lake.
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BrianG
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Just going back to the marriage in 1840 this is probably the GRO index, but how confuse Samuel with Sampson? Not an obvious transcription error to make; although I think it must be ok as the only (3) Sampson Jacksons in 1841 are in Staffs.
Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
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GEORGSON Mary Wigan 21 454
JACKSON Sampson Wigan 21 454
MOSS Thomas Wigan 21 454
RIMMER Alice Wigan 21 454
RYDER John Wigan 21 454
TOPPING Mary Wigan 21 454
Brian
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Jane
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That isn't what is on the actual GRO page for Jackson June quarter 1840
It does say SAMUEL JACKSON - Wigan - 21 454
So you are using the FreeBMD index? These are transcribed (and as far as I know double checked) so it is easy to make a typing error.
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BrianG
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yes FreeBMD - I'll put in a correction request (then go back to bed I think!  )
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Jane
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I really wish I could today - feel a cold coming on but have to go to town.
I still wonder what the person was thinking about to put Sampson.........
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Germaine
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They must have been getting a bit tired
Hope you feel better Jane.
I am wondering if there might be some pages missing I have searched high and low for them.
Germaine
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BrianG
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Re: Rymer/Rimmer | Bez wrote: | | Samuel was a Boat superintendant at the Botanic Gardens. There have always been boats on the Serpentine lake. |
I think I know how he got the job
Wife Alice's sister Ellen was married to Walter Smith, mayor of Southport and Chairman of The Churchtown and Southport Botanic Gardens & Museum Company Ltd
If you go to the gale database and search Walter Smith Mayor in the Liverpool Mercury there's lots of stuff
Brian
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BrianG
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Update on the Samuel Jackson - Alice Rimmer marriage
I mentioned the "Park" discrepancy to Joyce O. She has now had a look at the All Saints Wigan registers. The marriage details are as follows:
| Quote: | Date: 30th June 1840
Married after Banns
Samuel Jackson, 24, Bachelor, Weaver, Millgate, John Jackson, Weaver
Alice Rimmer, 24, Spinster, , Millgate, Robert Rimmer, Seaman
both signed
Witnesses were William Caunce & Lydia Caunce |
So that confirms the marriage. Alice "bigged up" her father from fisherman to seaman
Had a quick look for a marriage of a William Caunce to a Lydia. There's only one but it is 1842 Manchester, so 2 years later. The
wife is a Lydia Rimmer. It looks like this should be Alice's sister, as both age and birthplace tie in on the 1851 census. Also on that census are a Robert Rimmer (14) and Mary Rimmer (11) listed as "brother" and "sister" respectively. Mary is the wrong age, she should be 16, but Robert is spot on. Why would she sign as "Caunce" when they were not yet married? Ah just realised Lydia's dress might have been on the tight side for her sister's wedding; daughter Emily was born later in 1840 
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Germaine
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That is good Brian. I think with the name Lydia ( not what you would call a common name then) that the family I found in 1841 were the right family. Wonder where they vanished to for 20 years.
Oh yes they were no different in those days just no tas brazen about these illigit. children.
Germaine
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BrianG
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| Jane wrote: |
I still wonder what the person was thinking about to put Sampson......... |
Whatever he was on it was strong stuff. Just had the correction acknowledgment back from FreeBMD. There were 3 Samuel Jacksons on the same page; apparently all were transcribed as Sampson The scan is perfectly legible (admittedly many of the FreeBMD scans leave a lot to be desired - I've put in many corrections based on the clearer versions found on Findmypast)
Brian
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Yvonne
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Oh dear , have you noticed on 1851 and 1871 census Robert Snr is blind.
1871 states it was an accident.
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BrianG
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loosely connected wit the Alice Rimmer of the opening post - one of her nephews, James Rimmer (s of Nathan R & Elizabeth Howard) is shown as deaf & dumb since childhood, as is his wife Ellen
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