My mum, and indeed later my cousin lead me to believe, my
G-Grandmother was one,
Annie O'Neil b1856 in Ireland,
But on all the census it has Annie being born in scarisbrick.
So, I started looking for her marriage so as to send for a certificate, I
could not find a marriage for James Drummond-m-Annie O'Neil,
so decided to send for my G-Dads birth cert instead,
and guess what Annie O'Neil was not my G-Grandmother.
A lady called Annie Barton is stated as mother,
I am now wondering why my mum let us believe that O'Neil was her Grandmothers maiden name.
Next step, Found the marriage, and sent for the certificate.
James Drummond - married - Alice Barton
at Christ church southport on the 26/4/1871, aged 20
she lived in Grove st, her father was Richard Barton he was a Gardener
I have done a bit more research, sent for birth cert and her mum was
Ann Barton Nee Sumner the only address is scarisbrick.
Having looked at the Barton And Sumner name's on here, I dont seem to be able to connect up with anyone.
If any of this is relevant to anyone on NMFHS I can e-mail you copy's if the certificates.
Yvonne
This is what I have re Barton's
1. Richard Barton (George1) was born Abt. 1824 in Halsall, and died 1884. He married Ann Sumner 07 Jan 1850 in St Mary's Chapel, Aughton, daughter of Richard Sumner and Jane Tunnell. She was
born 1828 in Scarisbrick, and died 1903.
More About Richard Barton and Ann Sumner:
Marriage: 07 Jan 1850, St Mary's Chapel, Aughton
Children of Richard Barton and Ann Sumner are:
+ 2 i. Mary3 Barton, born Abt. 1853 in North Meols.
3 ii. Jane Barton, born 11 Nov 1855; died 1918. She married John Halsall 24 Oct 1874 in Christ Church Southport; born 07 Mar 1853 in Crossens; died 1918.
More About John Halsall and Jane Barton:
Marriage: 24 Oct 1874, Christ Church Southport
4 iii. Ann Barton, born 20 Jan 1851.
5 iv. John Barton, born 19 Jul 1858.
6 v. Richard Barton, born 24 Jul 1861.
7 vi. Martha Barton, born 25 Feb 1868; died 1945. She married James White 07 Feb 1891; born 30 Jun 1865 in North Meols; died 1936.
More About James White and Martha Barton:
Marriage: 07 Feb 1891
Generation No. 2
2. Mary Barton (Richard2, George1) was born Abt. 1853 in North Meols. She married John Howard
14 Feb 1874 in Christ Church, Southport1, son of Richard Howard and Alice Rimmer. He was born Abt.1853 in North Meols, and died 1927 in Southport.
Notes for John Howard:
1911 census
HOWARD, MRS MARY WIFE F 58 ORMSKIRK LANS
HOWARD, MR JOHN HEAD 37 M 58 LABOURER GASWORKS SOUTHPORT LANS
HOWARD, JOHN THOMAS SON SINGLE M 25 MACHANIC SOUTHPORT LANS
HOWARD, GEORGE SON SINGLE M 22 HOUSE PAINTER SOUTHPORT LANS
HOWARD, JAMES SON SINGLE M 19 MACHANIC SOUTHPORT LANS
FEARN, GLADYS GRAND DAUGHTER F 5 SOUTHPORT LANS
HOWARD JAMES (RG14PN22913 RG78PN1340B RD457 SD6 ED47 SN43)
Address 2 CROWLAND ST SOUTHPORT LANCASHIRE County Lancashire
District Ormskirk Subdistrict North Meols
Enumeration District 47 Parish
More About John Howard:
Census: 1891, RG12/3039 Folio 142 Page 38 2 Crowland St..
Occupation: 1879, Stoker at Gas Works
Marriage Notes for Mary Barton and John Howard:
Marriage 14 February 1874, at Christ Church, Southport after Banns
John Howard, 21, Bachelor, Farmer, Southport
Father Richard Howard, Farmer
Mary Barton, 21 Spinster, Dressmaker, Southport
Father, Richard Barton, Gardener.
Witnesses George Rockliff & Jane Barton
More About John Howard and Mary Barton:
Children of Mary Barton and John Howard are:
8 i. Alice Ann Howard, born 1875 in North Meols; died 1908 in Southport. She married John William Fearn 1895 in St Peter's Birkdale; born 1873 in Manchester; died 26 Apr 1945 in Southport.
Notes for Alice Ann Howard:
Birth ref; Ormskirk 1875 April/June 8b 775
Notes for John William Fearn:
Birth registered - September quarter 1873 Salford
Marriage registered - June quarter 1895 Ormskirk - to Alice Ann Howard
John Howard was my 2xgt granduncle
Haven't got an Alice Barton though
Sorry about the format but couldn't get it to work out any better.
sylvia
Yvonne,
Thank you for all the info, You have no Alice but you do have a
Ann Barton born on the exact date 20/1/1851 as my Alice/Annie Barton
I think this may be one and the same person.
and their was a mistake made in the christian name on that one cert
Because on her marriage certificate she is called Alice Barton,
But on the birth certificate of my Grandfather she is called annie
and on all the census's she is named a annie.
I am sure it is the same person because when I ordered her Birth cert
I asked that they made sure that the named father was a Richard Barton
they told me although their was more than 4 possibles they found only one with fathers name as Richard. What do you think?
Yvonne
Well I think it must be the same. Cannot see any other Richard Barton - Gardener around. It does say Ann was 2mths old 1851 census which was 30th March and as you had them look for Richard as father I think it is the same person.
On one of the census I have I have put a note that Jane 1855 was in fact Elizabeth Jane, but cannot remember where I got that from
Wonder whether this was a relation and they called her Ann to stop the confusion
Baptisms: 3 Feb 1850 Holy Trinity, Southport, Lancashire, England
Alice Ann Barton - Child of Thomas Barton & Mary
Abode: Southport
Occupation: Gardener
Baptised by: J. Jackson Incumbant
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1879, Page 20, Entry 149
sylvia
Hiya Yvonne,
On Alice/Annie's marriage cert, Richard her dad is down as a gardener,
but on her birth cert he is down as a Farmer,
I have some info somewhere, which I have been trying to find but cant,
that shows the family as farm lab in Chorley and other places
and also gardening all different years.
If it is the same family as yours that means we maybe related, but how though?
Best regards
sylvia
Yvonne
The relationship is only very distant, so I don't suppose there is a 'word' for it
Alice/Ann's sister, Mary married my 2xgt granduncle so it is only through that marriage there is a connection.
sylvia
Good Morning Yvonne,
Thank you for replying to my e-mails on the Barton's.
You have been very helpful, if I find any thing Else out about them
I will be in touch
Best Regards
Sylvia
Dotty
I say...
I see that there is a FEARN granddaughter on one of the census. This could be a link to our very own Lord Ronnie Fearn former MP of Southport.
What do you think?
TTFN
Dotty
Jane
John William Fearn who is mentioned IS a connection to Lord Ronnie Fearn
