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| mary |
thomas sumner 1771 & martha 1771THOMAS and MARTHA SUMNER had 4 children and was a farmer from snapeJAMES SUMNER;- 1801 scarisbrick marries ANN born 1800 cheshire children THOMAS 1829 cheshire(marries PHOEBE COOPER) MARY 1831 scarisbrick (marries RICHARD LIVESLEY and MARTHA 1833 scarisbrick(marries GEORGE COOPER) ELLEN SUMNER ;- 1804 scarisbrick marries WILLIAM TWIST 1807 birkdale children JOHN 1830(marries ALICE BROOKFIELD) and THOMAS 1835 ANN SUMNER;- 1806 scarisbrick MARTHA SUMNER;- 1810 scarisbrick son of james and ann, THOMAS SUMNER b1829 marries PHOEBE COOPER b1835 scarisbrick, they have 8 children; JAMES 1855 marries JANE ROTHERHAM childrenGEORGE1881,WILLIAM1883, JAMES1886,THERESA1889(marries CALEB JACKSON),PHOEBE1892 THOMAS 1856 MARGARET 1859 GEORGE 1860 ANN 1861 HENRY 1862 marries HANNAH JACKSON children on another post EDWARD 1867 FREDERICK 1869 marries ELLEN WAREING 1872 children ANNIE 1896,MAY 1900 it is the sumners i am looking for but i some other infomation on children of the other names i have listed if anyone thinks its their line 
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| mary |
this is my list of sumners,most dates are census;
Name Birth date Birth place sumner, ann 1861 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, ann 1806 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Sumner, annie 1897 Birkdale, Lancashire, England Sumner, Edward 1867 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, ellen 1804 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Sumner, Frederick 1869 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, george 1859 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Sumner, George abt 1881 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, george 13/1/1906 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England sumner, henry 1861 ormskirk,lancashire sumner, james 1898 blowick,lancashire sumner, james 1855 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Sumner, james abt 1886 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, james 1801 scarisbrick,lancashire, England sumner, jenny 1909 Southport, Lancashire, England sumner, john 1891 blowick,lancashire sumner, margaret abt 1859 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, margaret hannah 1899 blowick,lancashire sumner, martha abt 1834 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, martha 1810 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, mary 1832 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, mary ann 10/6/1900 blowick,lancashire Sumner, may 1900 Birkdale, Lancashire, England Sumner, Phoebe Ann dec 1892 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, richard abt1907 Southport, Lancashire, England Sumner, Theresa abt 1889 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England sumner, thomas 1771 lancashire, England sumner, thomas abt 1829 doddleston,Chester,England sumner, thomas 1856 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England Sumner, William abt 1883 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England |
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| mary |
1911 additions for FREDERICK SUMNER;
FREDERICK 1869 marries ELLEN WAREING 1872 children ANNIE 1896,MAY 1900 in 1911 they live at 17 kew road and have 3 more children; PHOEBE SUMNER b1903 JOHN SUMNER b1905 and ISABELLA SUMNER b 1910 |
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| BrianG |
Well with 196 Sumners & 282 Jacksons, would you believe the only possible match I have found in my database is William Twist (1807) and I'm not 100% sure about that one 
Here are my Sumners: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/c...&db=bgriffiths&recno=7786 and Jacksons: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/c...&db=bgriffiths&recno=4843 Brian PS If the earlier stuff looks a bit like Joyce Otterstrom's "Park" data that's because it is where most of it came from 
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| mary |
the sumners i can believe!! i havn't found anyone from that line yet?
my jacksons are from rainford hannah and caleb are sibblings and the only 2 in southport i have found so far. william twist ?? i'm not sure now it was so long ago i did that i will have to go back over it as you have him as dying 25 nov 1830
and i have him dying in 1840 and marrying ellen sumner on the 9th nov 1830! now that wouldn't be good 16 days after marrage!!! or explain 2 children born 1830 and 35 
same parents but thats no use if i'm wrong
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| BrianG |
I did say I wasn't 100% sure - this bit did come from "Park". The names are the same but Sumner & Twist are common enough. The Ellen Sumner in this marriage is not actually one of mine, but an in-law; also the William Twists seem to have different birthplaces; so maybe not after all |
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| mary |
it is ellen sumner who is from my sumner tree not my direct line but a sibbling.
just been looking on ancestry and others have that same connection of william and ellen his father john watkinson twist?? need to try and find documents i think!! |
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| BrianG |
The Ancestry trees are probably also based on "Park" so it does not surprise me that there are others. I'm thinking it may well be a different William Twist & Ellen Sumner! Happens all too frequently; We are presently trying to sort out the parents of 2 Richard Halsalls, almost the same age, who both married girls called Sarah. They don't make it easy 
I note that "Park" does seem to conclude that it is the same Willliam Twist (son John is as in your database married to Alice Brookfield.) I haven't put this family into my tree as I have not been able to trace it satisfactorily in the censuses. I do see Ellen Twist with (presumed) sons John & Thomas living with Thomas & Martha Sumner in 1841, but William is not there. Now if William is the one who died in 1830 he could be John's father but not Thomas's. One possibility of course is that Ellen had an illegitimate child. Unfortunately I don't have a christening record for Thomas Twist which would prove this. |
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| Bez |
There was also a William Twist baptised 25th August 1811, the son of James and Margaret Twist of Scarisbrick. He would have been 18 in 1829, so old enough to have married.
Following the marriage of William Twist and Ellen Sumner I only have one baptism for a child of a William Twist and that is 14th Feb 1836, John son of William and MARTHA Twist of Scarisbrick - so appears to be someone different. Have you looked at the Ormskirk registers? |
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| mary |
i only have one of the childrens baptisms and that is of john twist on 6th dec 1829 at st cuthberts halsall.
john and thomas twist live with their sumner grandparents,although thomas i have only found in 41,john is there 41 & 51.ellen moves to leyland alone. just have to find/remember where i got the marrage of willam twist and ellen sumner? |
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| Bez |
That marriage was at St Cuthbert's, North Meols. | ||