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| HodgePodge |
WatkinsonThrough my Hodge research, I found a descendancy to Watkinsons, who have proven to be quite an interesting gang, so I thought I'd post a bit about them here.Dorothy Hodges born 1702, daughter of Thomas Hodges married Robert Hall in 1722. Their son, Thomas Hall (1737) and his wife, Nanny had 2 children, Dorothy and Robert. Dorothy Hall had an illegitimate daughter, Nanny Hall in 1796. Dorothy Hall then married James Watkinson in 1805 and had 3 children with him: Elizabeth, Margaret and Thomas (1808, 1810 & 1812). Dorothy died between 1812 & 1817, because by 1817 James Watkinson had started having children with his stepdaughter, Nanny Hall. The couple didn't marry until 1852, by which time they'd had 10 children: Alice 1817, Ellen 1819, James 1822, John 1823, Dorothy 1831-1833, Richard 1834 (twin), Dorothy (twin) 1834-1836, Henry 1836, Dorothy 1838, Robert 1840. The children were all baptised as Hall, but listed in census returns as Watkinson. They appear to have lived as Watkinson into adulthood, but oddly at least 2 of the children adpot their birth name of Hall in the later 19thC... as Henry seems to revert to Hall by 1901, and his daughter, Alice, also seems to have been known as Hall in 1891. I'm still researching the Victorian Watkinsons, so don't have marriages & children for them all as yet, but would be very interested to know if anyone thinks they have a connection to this group. |
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| Jane |
Do you know I'm not sure getting married to a step daughter was legal then!!! 
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| HodgePodge |
Haven't got a clue... perhaps that's why they waited so long!
Either way... it seems really dodgy marrying the girl he'd been stepfather to since she was 9! |
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| Jane |
A friend discovered similar when doing his family history. The man in question married his step daughter who he had helped raise since she was about 6. They went off to London to marry though
I have tried to find a list of who and who can't marry. Still looking but if anyone finds it please let me know the web site. I can then put the list on the forum |
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| unsworth |
hodgepoge I have Watkinsons on my line through my paternal grandmother's sister but I cannot get any where with them till I find out where/when he was born. all I know about the man was that he owned George Watkinson coal merchants on Lytham rd for a while till my dad bought it from him he moved to manage a pub down south. one of the sons lived on St Annes Rd. wife name was Enid. but I am enjoying reading all about the Hodges from you. keep up the work. maybe you could write a pamphet with it all in for the society. | ||
| Bez |
Table of Kindred and Affinity Taken from the Book of Common Prayer.
A man may not marry his: mother daughter father's mother mother's mother son's daughter daughter's daughter sister father's daughter mother's daughter wife's mother wife's daughter father's wife son's wife father's father's wife mother's father's wife wife's father's mother wife's mother's mother wife's son's daughter wife's daughter's daughter son's son's wife daughter's son's wife father's sister mother's sister brother's daughter sister's daughter A woman may not marry her: father son father's father mother's father son's son daughter's son brother father's son mother's son husband's father husband's son mother's husband daughter's husband father's mother's husband mother's mother's husband husband's father's father husband's mother's father husband's son's son husband's daughter's son son's daughter's husband daughter's daughter's husband father's brother mother's brother brother's son sister's son So it was (and still is) within the Church of England totally illegal to marry a stepchild even though they are not actually a blood relation. |
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| HodgePodge |
Very interesting. I wonder how that related to the law of the land at the time... was it an actual offence, or just offensive to the church?... as many of those would be legal today, yet still against the teachings of the established church. | ||
| HodgePodge |
Oh, regarding the Hodge & related families.... to be honest, I'd love to publish the research when I've tied up some of the loose ends. | ||
| Jane |
Please tell me which you think are legal today I was chatting to a friend at lunchtime abut what has changed. Well we do have same sex 'marriages'. And I also know that someone can have their birth certificate altered after a sex change but I think that is relatively new. |
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| HodgePodge |
Well... I figure anyone not blood related closer than cousins (unlike Americans, we can marry cousins), providing they're over the age of consent and not already married, obviously! | ||
| Jane |
That is a strange area.
Cousins are blood related and allowed to marry Step children are not blood related and not allowed to marry the step parent. I actually can't understand why anyone would want to marry either their step child or cousin. 
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| HodgePodge |
I guess if you'd never known a cousin as such really. let's face it, everyone on North Meols was a cousin of sorts to everyone else, yet they still married each other (Hugh and Alice Hodge were first cousins who married). I can't imagine anyone wanting to marry someone they were so closely related to... but that could have to do with the fact that all the cousins of my own age are girls!!
Marrying a step-child... perhaps if they were grown up when you first met them and you never really lived as family together (though it still seems a bit dodgy, and something of a betrayal of your former spouse), but not if you've been a parent to them. My youngest step-son was the same age when I met him as Nanny Hall was when she met James....and I can say, without question, that marriage would never enter my head! On a similar note... I found someone recently (not north meols, just doing some digging for someone online) whose mother was unmarried and deaf & dumb from birth. You can't help feeling that she was taken advantage of.... possibly worse... because she couldn't betray the man in question. |
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| unsworth |
when you talk about cousins marrying it was only 1st cousins 2nd 3rd and so forth you could marry. which many in northmeols did. | ||
| Dotty |
I say...Hi you guys/galsI'm not 100% sure Jane but I feel very strongly that birth certificates cannot be changed even if there has been a sex change. A couple of weeks ago there was a big whoo haa about a foster mother having a baby to a foster child with plans to marry when her divorce came through...it's not the same thing but it has the 'oh no' factor. Dotty :?: |
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| Jane |
I knew I had read something. Found this -
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co....gislation-approved-name_page.html Woody Allan married Mia's adopted daughter - I think this is weird. Just read in today's paper it could be costing him his career |
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| swokky |
watkinson
hello there i am steven george watkinson the george you are on about is my father when he sold the coal business he bought a pub in the lakes the enid in st annes road is his sister my auntie dont know if this any use to you regards steve |
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| ray green |
Neither can I but marrying the wife's grandmother is banned and that doesn't seem an appealing prospect either! |
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| sooner |
swocky I don't know if you remember me? I was susan Rimmer gran was Doris Rimmer nee hough. I now live in the USA. your gran was her sister.
Ada Hough married Robert Charles Watkinson 1928 had 2 children that I knew of George and Enid. Doris Hough married Thomas Rimmer 3 children Thomas, Norah and Donald. Hilda Hough married Walter James Poll they had 2 children Dorothy and James Walter. I have been trying to locate family members. you can email me privately at northmeols[at]hotmail.com glad to find you cousin |
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| Dotty |
Ahhh...Nice to have these posts...one more for the Christmas list!
Dotty 
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