Leadbetter/Oxley

Jane · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Leadbetter/Oxley

I am posting this on behalf of a society member. She is trying to find the marriage for john Oxley & Elizabeth Leadbetter. She thinks it was around 1858 but can't find it on any BMD index. Can anyone help?

The couple are living Hawes-side on the 1861 census.
I can't find John in 1851 and Elizabeth seems to be in Thornton with her family although born Meals (I think this is a trasncribers way of putting Meols)

One marriage for Elizabeth on FreeBMD - March quarter 1859 Ormskirk
But the only John on the same age is John Rigby

Hope someone can advise or help

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SeaCopRimmer · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:

Is there the slightest possibility that the name has been transcribed wrongly on the Marriage Certificate? I've found :
John Oxley married Margaret Leadbetter, St Peter's Church, Liverpool, March Quarter 1859.

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Jane · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:10 am Post subject:

That's a strong possibility. Thanks for that. I will pass it on

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mother · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

These Leadbetter are very elusive, I've been searching for a John Leadbetter, father of Elizabeth, for years

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Jane · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject:

Beryl - the member who asked - emailed this to me today

I have been watching the forum with bated breath and have seen that there has been a suggestion that the marriage between John Oxley and Margaret Leadbetter in Liverpool in January 1859 might be the right one with an error in the name of the bride. I had hoped that too. I sent for a copy of the certificate some time ago and am fairly convinced that it isn't the right one after all. On it both John and Margaret were living in Liverpool and John's occupation was "Flatman". I know that he was a builder and stonemason for the large part of his life - the family moved all over the country after 1861 presumably following his trade - children born in Southport; Bilton, Gloucs.; Mansfield; Halifax;Radcliffe and Bury! On the certificate too, Margaret's father's occupation is given as "farmer". The family talk, which I heard as a youngster, was always that Grandma Oxley (Elizabeth) came from a shrimping family.
On the 1861 census John's place of birth was given as North Meols but on subsequent census it was always shown as Warrington and that is the place that family talk always mentioned. So those are the reasons which lead me to be suspicious about that marriage being the right one.
BUT I think that I will now send for a copy of the marriage cert for Elizabeth and John Rigby - you never know your luck!

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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Fleetwood

Hope you don't mind me popping in . Smile

I noticed you said Elizabeth was in Thornton in 1851. If this is the Elizabeth born c 1837 daughter of Peter Leadbetter residing in FLeetwood . Then this won't be your Elizabeth as this Elizabeth is my G G Grandmother she married a James Wilson.
What age is Elizabeth . Can't look today got a bored little boy Smile

to occupy but will have a look over the weekend see if I can find anything.
Germaine
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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Fleetwood

Not sure if I have been looking at the right Oxley but there is an Elizabeth Oxley married to a John that states she is born in Burscough on one census .Is that right if so this looks like her family in 1851.
Germaine
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1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Leadbetter
Name: Elizabeth Leadbetter
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Burscough, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Burscough
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Tarleton
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Leadbetter 40
Elizabeth Leadbetter 14
Emily Leadbetter 4
Henry Leadbetter 21
Richard Leadbetter 8
Thomas Leadbetter 60
Alice Waight 23

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Fleetwood

Found some of the right Leadbetter trees on Roots web. This one looks a good one. kathrynd
You want the ones of Thomas Leadbetter with Mary Barton as his mother.
No luck yet with a marriage for Elizabeth . No one seems to have followed her.
Also trees on for John Oxley looks like they coudln't find a marriage either as they have Elizabeth as unknown.
Germaine
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Beryl · Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

I'm so grateful for all your help. I feel I am slowly getting nearer to identifying "my" Elizabeth!
The little I know of her comes from census returns. In 1861 she was in Hawes Side, aged 23, born North Meols. She was married to John Oxley then and had a daughter Ann. I have verified Elizabeth's maiden name from the birth cert. In 1871 she was in Mansfield, aged 32 born Burscough and in 1881 she was in Tottington Lower End, Bury aged 43 again born Burscough. She died in 1889 aged 52.
The 1841 census shows an Elizabeth aged 5 (with parents Peter and Mary) living in Banks and the IGI shows this Eliz's christening on 21/8/1836 so she is probably too old to be "mine". But no Elizabeth shown in 1841 with a father Thomas.
I'm hoping that the fathers name on the marriage cert for Elizabeth Leadbetter and John Ribgy will eliminate another one of the possibilities.
I'm pursing all the other leads you have given me. Watch this space!

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Fleetwood

Glad you found that a bit helpful Beryl. I too have searched the 1841 and I can't find them either. I wonder if the page they are on is missing.
Oh also I wonder if John and lEizabeth didn't register their marriage and that is why we can't find it. It looks like it will be a case of trying to find it in a parish record.
Stroke of luck I noticed it was my GG Grandmother that you had found.
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Good Luck will keep looking
Germaine
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Beryl · Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Thanks again Germaine. Yes, I must agree that it looks as though the relevant page of the census is missing, Also I think too that a search of parish records might bear fruit. I shall probably have to rely on local knowledge (yet again!) for a clue as to possible local churchs.
Beryl

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Fleetwood

Yes it looks that way Beryl.
I noticed that most of their children were born in Burscough . I don't know if I have been looking in the wrong place but can't seem to find it. So I wonder if it is missing.
I don't know the churches round there perhaps some one else does . Confused

Or did they use St. Cuthberts too at tht time does
Germaine
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Bez · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

I think St Cuthbert's has a few entries where one of the party is from Burscough, but I would have thought that Croston was more likely. I don't know about a parish church in Burscough, but it did have a Priory in the medieval period if I remember correctly.

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Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 183 Location: Southport

I have an ancestor born Burscough and she was baptised and married at St Peter and Paul, Ormskirk. Looked quickly on the Lancs Online but did not see any Oxley's.

Beryl · Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Thanks to all the wonderful help I have had from members of NMFHS I feel I am slowly establishing links in my search for the parentage of Elizabeth Leadbetter. It seems possible/probable that Elizabeth's father was the Thomas mentioned on the 1851 cansus in Burscough. In 1861 he was living in Mount St., Southport and the first child of my Elizabeth was born in Mount St in 1859. Thomas was christened and married at St Cuthberts but two of his children were baptized at Churchtown Independent Church. Should I search both of these church records for possible marriages of Elizabeth Leadbetter and John Oxley?? Can anyone with local knowledge give me guidance please??

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