Well, Mount Street is very close to Southport town centre so the local churches would be:
Holy Trinity (CofE)
Mornington Road (Wesleyan Methodist)
Mornington Road (another non-conformist church)
St George's Lord Street
Christ Church, Lord Street (CofE)
It could be a long haul this one? Anything we can do to help?
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Glad you have found what seems to be a link with Thomas and Elizabeth. If anyone would be kind enough to look at the parish reg. they might find that elusive marriage. If Mount St is more into Southport itself that would be a good place to look. a thought maybe check out the Methodist first I think the Leadbetters were a Methodist family. Thouh of course they did use C of E.
Germaine
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I have checked through the Churchtown Congregational extracts and they aren't in there either.
Sorry took so long couldn't find the book
Really must tidy up.
Germaine
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So sorry not to have said a big thank you to you all for the help you are giving me. I don't want you to think I am not grateful!! I have been totally preoccupied with other things (sick grandchildren, Easter etc etc) for the last two weeks. I'm just about getting back into normality again now, so I shall contemplate what you have told me and get back again before too long. THANK YOU
Beryl
I've been stewing about all the info you have given me. As you say, it does look as though this is going to be a haul! I had been pinning some hopes on St Cuthberts or the Congregational Church ------ However, I've checked the Lancs Record Office website and it looks as though Holy Trinity and Christ Church records are there for the right period. So I am hoping that on my next trip to Lancs later in the year I might be able to get to Preston for a good old search around!
In the meantime I still keep wondering about the marriage cert I have for John Oxley and MARGARET Leadbetter. It was about the right time and the father of Margaret was given as Thomas (which is now what I think Elizabeth's father was called). BUT the name is wrong, they were living in Liverpool and I have found a Thomas Leadbetter on the census with a daughter Margaret of the right age. Oh dear!
Anyway, thanks again to you all. If anyone has any more ideas about where next to look, I would be grateful.
Beryl
Hi Beryl which census have you found a Margaret with a father Thomas I have been looking and can't see them .
What occupation did it give for Thomas on the cert. oh sorry if have I asked, forgot who were the witness.
Germaine
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I found that Thomas (a fisherman) on the 1841 census. The daughter, Margaret, was 1 at the time. Possibly a bit young to be married in Janusry 1859 but----
On the certificate, Thomas was described as a farmer. The witnesses were David Hogan (which doesn't ring any bells) and Alice Wright (which does!) IF my Elizabeth is the daughter of the Thomas who was in Burscough on the 1851 census, then she had a older sister, Alice, who went on to marry Henry Wright. This Alice appears on the 1851 census as Alice Waight but is called Wright on the 1861 census, living with her parents and her children in Mount st. BUT Margaret Leadbetter also had an older sister called - Alice too!
However, I haven't been able to find a Margaret and John Oxley on the 1861 census (2 years after their wedding) except for a pair in Warrington with children born before 1859. Still not conclusive, I know.
Hi Beryl I keep looking I think that the Thomas you have found in 1841 is the one I have that moved to Fleetwood by 1851. He is living with a son but no sign of his other children I haven't looked into it fully yet. He is on the side so to speak. So don't think that was him. Wife Margaret.
David Hogan not come across him and he doesn't show up in Liverpool in 1861.
Is the John Oxley you found in Warrington in 1861 with a wife Elizabeth as I noticed the one I saw had a child age 6 born in Southport another mystery.??
These Wrights and Leadbetters so many and all with the same name.
Going round in circles
Will have another look later.
Germaine
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Well don't think the family in Warrington are anything to do with it. Have found a marriage for a John Oxley in 1853 no spouse given as the page wasn't readable but had a good look and no Elizabeth Leadbetter for the same year. Sorry if someone has already done this. So this marriage looks like the family of 1861 in Warrington.
Germaine
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Thanks again, Germaine. Yes I do have a certificate for the 1953 John Oxley marriage. It took place in Southport (at "Trinity Church") but the wife was Elizabeth Moffat. I'm pretty sure they are ones with a young family in Warrington in 1861. The previous Southport connection would explain a child being born there. I also have a cert for yet another John Oxley marriage - this time in 1859 to Elizabeth Bent but that was in Congleton and that was where they appeared to be living in 1861.
SO, I am left with one vaguely possible recorded marriage but with the bride's first name as Margaret! Does anyone know whether it was possible for a name to appear on a certificate wrongly like this might have done. (I certainly know that my own grandmother's birth certificate had her mother's maiden name wrongly recorded)
I have been trying to find if Mornington Road Methodist Church was conducting marriages in the late 1850's as I feel too that the family might have been non conformists. Later generations certainly were.
hi Beryl I wonder if the marriage wasn't reg at all and the only way to find it will be by parish records.
I have had a quick google about and foudn soem sites that might be of interest.
I wonder if you email Lancashire Records Office to see if they have the records for those churches that they could have married at or failing that write to the vicar see if he will help. I know round here the Methodist church haven't handed over their records well not to the library.
Son just arrived so if I think of anything else will let you know.
Something to look at though
Germiane
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Southport/ http://www.a2a.org.uk/html/1072-m287sou.htm http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41326
Although Civil Registration came in in 1837, it wasn't compulsory until Jan 1st 1874. Anglican marriages were registered automatically because (so far as I know) the minister acted as Registrar - as they do now. I do know that Roman Catholics had the problem of either paying for the Registrar to attend, or going through a second ceremony in an Anglican church. Often they did neither. I suspect the non-conformists might have been in a similar predicament, so the only proof you may have would be in a church register somewhere and I understand that many Methodist Churches ignored The Non-Parochial Registers Commission of 1837 (and subsequent ones) which required all non-conformist registers to be sent to the General Register Office in London.
You may find that some Methodist registers are held in a central location, but I haven't gone looking for any myself yet.
Have you checked on the Family Search site?
You can check the LRO catalogue online.
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Thanks again. I have been looking around for non-conformist church records. So far I have discovered that the Public Record Office at Kew has non-conformist records from 1567 - 1840. Also Liverpool Record Office (City Libraries in William Brown Street) has a large stock of records called" Methodist Church: Liverpool District, Southport Circuit & Church Records" Ref code M287SOU. This is an interesting collection with some baptism and marriage records. Unfortunately for me the only marriage records are for one church, Mornington Road, but from 1862 onwards - just a bit too late! However it's possible someone else might find them useful. I'm still surfing for other sources - I have already tried Family Search without success. But it's very helpful to have such informed suggestions. I'll keep trying!
It's been months since I've been able to look again at my search for a record of my great grandparents (John Oxley and Elizabeth Leadbetter)marriage. My only trip "up north" was a rushed visit to family and friends with no time for a trip to LRO in Preston! I have resigned myself to having to wait until more marriage records become available on-line. In the meantime though I have sent for the birth cert of their second child, James, who was born in "Lime Kilns Southport". There was (maybe still is) a "Lime St" fairly near Mount st (where their first child was born) Does anyone know if Lime Kilns was around there in 1864?
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