You may find he got discharged for something not very serious - and may even have managed to get back in
I had a great uncle who was discharged as medically unfit a few weeks after joining up. 2 years later he died of a urinary infection in France. He was obviously allowed to enrol once more when the country needed more men to fight because of the numbers being killed
I got the "Short Service" document that Yvonne mentioned. It states he was discharged for "being no longer physically fit for war service" and "Originated 1900 at Southport. Originated in civil life. Extreme ????? of right foot and leg. Not result of and not aggravated by Service. Permanent. No Incapacity".
Not sure what the word after extreme is!!!
So he enlisted on 24/10/1915 and was discharged on 28/12/1916.
I don't think he got back as on his marriage certificate of 4/8/1917 he is living in Morecambe and listed as a munition worker.
Hi Bob thought you might find this interesting
Churchtown Congregational Church.
Marriage.
Nov. 29th 1880
John Howard (41) & Jenny Rimmer (44) both Marshside.
From one of the many books you can get from the society of Parish reg.
Germaine
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I am wondering Again could this John be Georges older brother ages are right if my theory is right. Is this how Mary met George?
Glad you are finding some good info on your family.
OK are you sitting comfortably then I 'll begin
I have a theory may be completely wrong anyone any idea's on it.
In 1816 Ellen Howard has Thomas to Thomas Meadows (Thomas Meadows Howard)
Baptism: 4 Mar 1816 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Thomas Meadow Howard Meadows - Illegitimate Son of Thomas Meadows & Ellen Howard Abode: Church Town Occupation: Weaver
In 1837 Thomas Howard married Ellen Aughton.
17 Jan 1837 Thomas Howard (weaver) & Ellen Aughton (spinster)
both of this parish wit: Henry Meadows, W Rushton (notice the Meadows are about ).
In 1841 census I can't find a Thoams Howard married to a Ellen. But there is a Thomas Meadows.
Living Green Lane Thomas is a silk weaver
Thomas Meadows 25
Ellen Meadows 20
Betty Meadows 4
John Meadows 1
I found two births.
BETTY MEADOWS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAR 1837 Church Town Independent, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Father Thomas Meadows
Mother Helen Hauhghton
John HOWARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 OCT 1839 North Meols, Lancashire, England
father: Thomas HOWARD
Mother: Ellen AUGHTON.
If you look at the census the Meadows are around till 1871 then they go and from what I have found up to now the Howards appear.
I think that Thomas used the name Meadows as that was what he was brought up as but he also used the name Howard which is what he was Christened as.
So I think when he died the children all used the name Howard which is probably on their birth certs.
If I find anyting else I will post it.
Hope everyone can understand what I have.
Germaine
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Just had a look at the 1861 census and found Thomas and Ellen and eight kids!!!!
The youngest child is a George Meadows aged 2. This fits in with age I have for George. So now I guess I have to try and prove your theory. Thanks Germaine, great work.
Hi Bob I think I found some of the family as Howards.
Margery With her parents up to 1861. In 1871 she looks to be with John Hosker and a child Thomas 6 (on census as nephew later census son). They marry in Sep. 1871. Howard Margery Ormskirk 8b 1052 Hosker John Ormskirk 8b 1052 1881 28 M
If you check the 1901 census it looks like her sister Betty is with her. this caused a lot of confusion with Betty being also liisted though wrong details with her husband James in 1901.
There is a marriage for a John Howard of the right age to a Jenny Rimmer in 1880 and with other bits of info looks good.
Rimmer Jenny Ormskirk 8b 1208
Seddon Christopher Ormskirk 8b 1208
Jenny was previously maried to a Peter Rimmer and her maiden name was Brookfield
Brookfield Jennet Ormskirk 8b 788 Rimmer Peter Ormskirk 8b 788
Betty Howard married James Meadows in 1865
Howard Betty Ormskirk 8b 891 Meadow James Ormskirk 8b 891
there is a Hugh Howard as a witness on this marriage
I would think that the J Meadows listed as a mourner could well be one of his sons he had a James and a John.
You have of course George.
Margaret 1871 is with James and Betty Meadows
I haven't placed any of the others as to as to be sure I would have to get many certificates. Nothing stands out on the census upto now.
Alice is proving difficult to find in census after 1861. There is a marriage but I am not sure at all about it. Marriage: 18 May 1868 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Thomas Farrington - (X), full Labourer Bachelor of Scarisbrick Alice Howard - (X), full Spinster of Scarisbrick Groom`s Father: James Farrington, Woodman Bride`s Father: Thomas Howard, Labourer Witness: John Farrington; Jas Dixon
Germaine
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I think Thomas died between the 1861 census and the 1871 thus the chidlren all going now by the name Howard. I found this but don't know if it is him not enough info haven't checked the address yet thoguh,
Burial: 3 Sep 1861 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Thomas Howard -
Age: 48 years
Abode: Park Lane
Buried by: N.S.Jeffrey Curate
Register: Burials 1846 - 1867, Page 145, Entry 1150
Source: LDS Film 1796146
Would you like to send some of your cold weather over here???? Nearly every day for the past 2 weeks has been over 40 C and the bush fires have started, unfortunately some of them deliberately lit
I believe it is rather hot over there hope it cools down for you. No snow round here but the kids went to Knowsley Sarai Park today said it was snowy there.
Germaine
There is a marriage for a John Howard of the right age to a Jenny Rimmer in 1880 and with other bits of info looks good.
Rimmer Jenny Ormskirk 8b 1208
Seddon Christopher Ormskirk 8b 1208
Jenny was previously maried to a Peter Rimmer and her maiden name was Brookfield
Brookfield Jennet Ormskirk 8b 788 Rimmer Peter Ormskirk 8b 788
This is the same Jenny who used to live in the cottage next door to me and who married my gr gr grandfather's younger brother, Peter Rimmer.
_________________ Middle-aged and seeking the middle-ages!
OK I've had another look at what Germaine is suggesting and this is what I've come up with.
George Howard's Grandmother was Ellen Howard.
Mary Jane Rimmer's Grandmother was Mary Howard. They were sisters!! Their parents were Hugh Howard and Elizabeth Rymer. This would make George and Mary second cousins (I think).
Would the marriage have been legal?
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