Mary Jane Rimmer c1859

clubbyr8 · Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 53 Location: Sydney, Australia

Thanks Jane I have emailed the library.

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Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Southport

Just been looking at some pictures of gravestones I have - Could this be John Howard's and Jenney's grave stone?
Jenny birth would appear to have been c1836

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Hi Yvonne just had a quick look at my tree and it could well be.
I have got Jenny dying c 1916 John was born c 1840 which all look good. Also John married Jenny in 1880 so that would fit in with Mary being his first wife and dying ( 1877).
Nice find
Germaine
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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Now could this be him in 1871 with Mary living in the next household to James and Bety Meadow (Betty Howard).
Germaine
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1871
Name Age
John Howard 32
Mary Howard 30
Ellen Howard 10
Peter Howard 8
Dorathey Howard 5
Nancy Howard 2
1881
with the George Howard I found
Name Age
John Howard 41
Ellen Howard 20
Peter Howard 18
Dorothy Howard 15
Nancy Howard 12
George Howard 26
Now I am getting confused .It says john is a widower but this looks like Jenny and I had found a marriage in 1880 that I thought was them.
she says married
Name Age
Jenny Howard 45
Mary Rimmer 22
John Rimmer 18
Betty Rimmer 15
Alice Rimmer 13

Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Southport

Germaine, think in 1881 census you had found John in Warrington, per page 1.

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Oh yes so I did you are not going to believe this I found it again on ancestry but when I go to the image I can't find him.

Why are there so many John Howards.

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Ah found him now on the next page and it does look like it says he was married.
I am really confused now as there are two wives on the grave stone and the one in 1871 looks to be the only one with a wife called Mary and then that really looks like the same family in 1881. Do you think this is the right one that I was wrong before and perhaps they stayed in seperate houses till all the cildren were grown up.
HELP!!!

Germaine
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Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Southport

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Certainly looks the same family in the two census, perhaps Jenny was just visiting with the Rimmer's. Does it say she is head?

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Hi vonne ye sit says she is the head and is married no husband present but she has 4 of her Rimmer children with her.
address Knobb Hall Lane.
Then John is at Marshside Lane with 4 of his children also the George Howard I would have thought was his brother. He is head but a widower.
Perhaps they couldn't find a cottage big enough to fit them all in.
As far as I can see the only reason not to think that this is the right John is that he says a widower.
In 1891 he was a flager tiler in 1881 a lab for the town council. The other John was a farmer.
Germaine
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clubbyr8 · Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 53 Location: Sydney, Australia

Hi Germaine,

I don't think that is my George Howard in the 1881 census. It says he was about 26 years old which puts his birth year approximately 1855. My George was born about 1860 (the 1891, 1901 census and his marriage certificate prove it) so he would have been about 21 at the time of the census.

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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

So that means we still haven't found him in 1881.
Is that right.
Maybe whoever gave the details wasn't too sure of his age.
Seems strange he is with a John ( who we aren't sure is his brother) and then next door there is a Thomas that is the same age as his brother. Thomas.
Unless he was at some police training school he was a Police man when he marrried is that right?
Germaine
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clubbyr8 · Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 53 Location: Sydney, Australia

He got married on 17 Apr 1882 and joined the Police Force on 16 Mar 1883.

His marriage certificate said he was a labourer.

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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Ah right so this fits with the census just his age wrong. Not unusual .
My Grandad was 28 in 1908 and 23 in 1911

according to marriage cert and census.
Germaine
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Dotty · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: I say...

Reading the addresses...if Marshside Lane is now called Marshside Road then an explanation could be very simple.

Marshside Road and Knob Hall Lane share a t-junction. It would be easy for them to live right next door to each other and still be in two different streets! What addresses were they at at each address and I'll have a look on my day off! It's worth checking up on...

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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 749 Location: Fleetwood

Hi Dottty

In 1881
Jenny at 14 Knob Hall Lane
John at 8 Marshside Lane
what looks like his brother Thomas at no. 7
Now not so sure if these were actual numbers of houses as then it says 9 Nelly Bakers Lane.
But that could expain if they were in different houses perhaps the cottages were too small for all the children.
Then the only problem would be why he said he was a widower.
they do look very close though as they are on consecutive pages he on 2 she on 3. 5 houses apart
Germaine
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Dotty · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: Mmmm...

Now that makes me wonder. I must have a look at the census myself. I think that the addresses were well away from each other. even taking into account possible number changes over the years.

TTFN

Dotty

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