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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would think boatman meant maybe on the canal? but that is a guess. If he was at sea then surely the family wouldn't have been with him. But on a barge they could have been anywhere along the canal on the move and have been missed off the census - or as we all know they are there somewhere but under what transcribed name?

One day when you least expect they will appear  but with all these other people helping hopefully it won't be long




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree with Jane;  boatman means on the canal or a river but not at sea (he would be seaman or mariner).  If he worked the canals he could be anywhere between Liverpool and Wigan (or at any of the links in between) - not easy to find!  Oh I do wish they'd all stayed at home



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes on a barge on a canal seems likely.  Will look further into that and keep you posted Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree if his family were with him probably on a barge .
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Rymer/Rimmer Reply with quote
sheilarmarland wrote:

On the 1871 faded census I think their address was Temperance Hall North Meols and Samuels occupation was Hall Keeper Porter.  Alice's father Robert llived with them.  On the 1871 census they lived in Bankfield Lane, North Meols and Samuel was a Boat superintendent at the Botanic Gardens! (


But this clearly says that Samuel was a Boat superintendant at the Botanic Gardens.  There have always been boats on the Serpentine lake.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just going back to the marriage in 1840 this is probably the GRO index, but how confuse Samuel with Sampson? Not an obvious transcription error to make; although I think it must be ok as the only (3) Sampson Jacksons in 1841 are in Staffs.

Marriages Jun 1840   (>99%)
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GEORGSON  Mary    Wigan  21 454    
JACKSON  Sampson     Wigan  21 454    
MOSS  Thomas     Wigan  21 454    
RIMMER  Alice     Wigan  21 454    
RYDER  John     Wigan  21 454    
TOPPING  Mary     Wigan  21 454    

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That isn't what is on the actual GRO page for Jackson June quarter 1840

It does say SAMUEL JACKSON - Wigan - 21 454

So you are using the FreeBMD index? These are transcribed (and as far as I know double checked) so it is easy to make a typing error.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
yes FreeBMD - I'll put in a correction request (then go back to bed I think! )
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really wish I could today - feel a cold coming on but have to go to town.

I still wonder what the person was thinking about to put Sampson.........



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
They must have been getting a bit tired  
Hope you feel better Jane.
I am wondering if there might be some pages missing I have searched high and low for them.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Rymer/Rimmer Reply with quote
Bez wrote:
Samuel was a Boat superintendant at the Botanic Gardens.  There have always been boats on the Serpentine lake.


I think I know how he got the job

Wife Alice's sister Ellen was married to Walter Smith, mayor of Southport and Chairman of The Churchtown and Southport Botanic Gardens & Museum Company Ltd

If you go to the gale database and search Walter Smith Mayor in the Liverpool Mercury there's lots of stuff

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Update on the Samuel Jackson - Alice Rimmer marriage

I mentioned the "Park" discrepancy to Joyce O. She has now had a look at the All Saints Wigan registers. The marriage details are as follows:
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Date: 30th June 1840
Married after Banns

Samuel Jackson, 24, Bachelor, Weaver, Millgate, John Jackson, Weaver
Alice Rimmer, 24, Spinster, , Millgate, Robert Rimmer, Seaman

both signed

Witnesses were William Caunce & Lydia Caunce

So that confirms the marriage. Alice "bigged up" her father from fisherman to seaman  

Had a quick look for a marriage of a William Caunce to a Lydia. There's only one but it is 1842 Manchester, so 2 years later. The
wife is a Lydia Rimmer. It looks like this should be Alice's sister, as both age and birthplace tie in on the 1851 census. Also on that census are a Robert Rimmer (14) and Mary Rimmer (11) listed as "brother" and "sister" respectively. Mary is the wrong age, she should be 16, but Robert is spot on. Why would she sign as "Caunce" when they were not yet married? Ah just realised Lydia's dress might have been on the tight side for her sister's wedding; daughter Emily was born later in 1840

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That is good Brian. I think with the name Lydia ( not what you would call a common name then) that the family I found in 1841 were the right family. Wonder where they vanished to for 20 years.
Oh yes they were no different in those days just no tas brazen about these illigit. children.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jane wrote:

I still wonder what the person was thinking about to put Sampson.........

Whatever he was on it was strong stuff. Just had the correction acknowledgment back from FreeBMD. There were 3 Samuel Jacksons on the same page; apparently all were transcribed as Sampson The scan is perfectly legible (admittedly many of the FreeBMD scans leave a lot to be desired - I've put in many corrections based on the clearer versions found on Findmypast)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh dear ,  have you noticed on 1851 and 1871 census Robert Snr is blind.
1871 states it was an accident.



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