Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Kew search for divorce records
Ray,
You are so kind to have searched for the John & Clara Gillies divorce record for me. I can't thank you enough. I'm sure my grandmother did not have money to pursue a divorce in London, which is probably why she changed her name and left England to go to a country where she was sure she couldn't be traced. Thank goodness her daughters have both passed. Isn't family history full of surprises! Thank you again.
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: Well...
Now I know two things about emigration...little and nothing but I've watched loads of flicks over the years and there used to be more 'levels' of travel.
Trains used to have a third class (I think you sat on the roof!)
Boats had a steerage class which meant you travelled in the bowels of the boat and had a bucket as a bathroom! The accomodation was shared and the poor folk didn't pay enough to complain...
That's my understanding of it but I'm sure more knowledgable folk will come along to clarify things even more.
Dotty
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My grandfather David Conway of Little Ireland would regularly travel to New York to work as a bricklayer. At first he would "work his passage" and I remember him saying that you could not believe how much water cows drink! I always assumed there were cows on board to provide fresh milk and he fed and watered them but who knows. Latterly he could afford to pay for his ticket.
If anyone has been to the Maritime museum in Liverpool they would have seen how the slaves were transported .........so maybe similar for poor people later on
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Many people went to the Americas as 'bonded' passengers which meant they did work for the ship whilst travelling or when they arrived at their destination. In 1692 (ish) John Rimmer sailed as a 'bonded' passenger; on the same ship, The Charity, were Frederick and Edward Rimer, of Germany, both carpenters who travelled up to Philadelphia then back to Virginia whilst John Rimmer eventually became Master of The Planter sailing regularly between Virginia and Liverpool; on latter ship's listing he became Mr Rimmer!
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Emmigration
In the case of my grandmother, a question was asked on the ship manifest that had to do with whether or not she had $50 upon arrival to the US, if not, how much she had, and who paid for the passage. She had $50, had paid for the passage herself, and was a second cabin passenger. How she managed this in 1911 when she did not live with her husband and son, and must have supported herself, or at least contributed to a household, I can't imagine. But, then, she made 2 trips back to Southport in the years following the depression in the US, in 1935 and again in 1937, and my grandfather was a trolley driver back in Rochester, New York, US.
Some of my husband's ancestors emigrated to America. One was married to someone who worked on the White Star Line. She and her daughter made frequent trips back to Southport so I am guessing they got cheap fares because of her husband's job
His Great Uncle was the first to emigrate and I know he became a fireman in new York. So maybe he was assisted because of his trade/occupation
I wonder kaiello if there was help from other family?
Someone else has suggested that people may have got help from their church
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Emmigration
Interesting thought, Jane. Her sisters may have helped. I never thought of the Church giving assistance. I also didn't realize that a potential employer would help, but it makes sense, if they were offering jobs to those who would choose to emigrate. My great Aunt and her family emigrated to Australia a year after my grandmother left England.
Obviously she liked it and they saw it as a better life. What did she do when she got there? Job wise I mean. It might help work out how & why she went. Maybe her employers were from here. Or someone she knew had gone and she followed
Much the same reasons as people emigrate today I suppose
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Emigration
My grandmother landed in New York first but sailed on to Quebec and lived there for three years. She said that she worked at Eatons, a department store, in the office. She later worked in a department store part-time after she came to the States.
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Emigration
She did not travel with anyone. Apparently she was trying to escape, undetected, because she changed her last name for the ship passage. She said that she was going to Montreal to meet her husband. However, he was living with his parents and their 7 year old son in Southport. I will check the manifest again, now that you mention it, and see if she may have traveled with someone.
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