Jane, yes the wrong name is on the birth certificate. Nora married Stanley Feb 4th 1931. My mother was born May 3rd 1931. Victor supposedly killed October 1930. We have already had searches of local papers done, and extensivly checked deaths at that time, no Victor Thorne's had accidents nor died in 1930.
Here is the audio mp3 of my conversation with my grandmother recorded mid 1990's. She was getting on then and seemed ready to "confess" all.
I suspect things when there is no proof to back them up.
But i love a good mystery too. Unless you can find Victor in the birth, death, marriage indexes or in a directory or on an electoral register then it may just have to remain a mystery........
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Victor is there alright, born 1896 and in the 1901 census. Parents Vincent and Anne, brothers Vincent, Alonzo, John and sister margaret. Tying Victor to the Arcari's was important, as it meant it was definitly this Victor.
I found the photo after my grandmother died, she never gave it to me, so in my mind it seemed to verify her story. (Good thought Seacoprimmer...it could be interpreted that way...except Nora mentions the death in her interview). I had also considered the possibilty that someone else was the man in question and was killed as told, but Victor took the rap! Unlikely but you have to look at all angles.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: I wonder...
Another possibility is that the young man who was killed by the bus was not the real Victor Thorne. If your gran was just pregnant at his death it could mean that they hadn't been courting long...
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I for one will be gobsmacked if granny isn't telling the truth. How about the accent? Fifty years in NZ and still broad Lancashire.
Surely there would have been an inquest, do the records still exist I wonder? Also it would have been recorded in the minutes of the relevant Southport Corporation committee I would think (unless it was a Ribble bus).
Nora and her brother and sister all came to New Zealand and all kept their accent. Good point about the bus records, of course there would have been a fuss. Yes she sounds so believeable which has had us all very confused when we found out Victor Thorne was already married and lived into his 70's. Perplexing indeed.
Inquest records sometimes last but I know there is a 70 year closure on them. Of course in this case that is past. If they exist I think they would have been lodged with the Lancashire record Office in Preston
no idea about bus company records. Of course we now have Arriva so I suspect any old records may have been thrown away.
If anything happened then it would have been reported
As for accents. My 2nd cousin & his wife emigrated in the 1960's to Australia. They first visited me 3/4 years ago and have broad Yorkshire accents still
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I see that the Merseyside Records Office hold the minutes of Southport Corporation Transport Committee and the General Manager's Annual Reports from 1901 to 1974. I would expect such an incident to be recorded in both sources. BTW in 1930 the Corpy only had twelve buses so Victor was singularly unlucky to hit one.
I've had a search through the Visiter today. Lots of car accidents, people knocked over etc but no reports of anyone in collision on a motorbike or with a bus.....................there's still The Guardian to look at.
Are you absolutely sure of the month?
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.....if I find any report of an accident I shall keep you all informed
