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HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

Another thing that's just struck me which is interesting (to me, anyway!) is that this lease is made out to William HODGE, not Hodges, yet the "S" wasn't dropped from the name until 1815, when it seems that there was a change in Vicar at St Cuthberts (certainly the handwriting changed in this year, I haven't researched the vicars to confirm this)... it does make me wonder why this branch of the family was using the modern spelling 8 years before it was changed in the records

HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

Oh, I would also like to appeal to anyone who thinks they may be descended from James Hodge and Jane Marshall who married in 1912. I'm in the middle of searching through the BMD scans, but so far I believe they had children Constance Mabel in 1913, James Kenneth in 1914, Mary Irene in 1918. I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones I know to be born in Halsall with a mother named Marshall.

I believe these are the last of our line of Hodges to live on the Heathy Lane farm. James Hodge left in the 1920's and was still living in the 1930's when Bernulf Llewelyn Hodge carried out his research on the family.

I believe that if there are any pictures, items or documents surviving that relate to the family or either farm, they are likely to be in this branch of the family, as this is the line that remained in Tom's former home until the 20thC.

Jane · Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject:

I wish you luck Hodge. I have actually worked backwards - okay forwards but the wrong way when it comes to family history. I have managed to find living people, written to them and in a couple of cases actually got new information. You do have to be ready for people not being interested though. Would you believe not everyone loves this hobby as we do Laughing

Once you get past 1911/12 it does get easier because maiden names are given. But it is a case of trawling through the GRO indexes. I then used electoral lists to find addresses. Southport reference library has a copy of the UK info disc which gets info from electoral registers and telephone books.

Good luck and let us know if/when you find someone Smile

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HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

I don't usually research past 1901, because of being unable to verify BMD records with censuses, but in this case, it's the best option for trying to trace any documents, photos, information etc which might provide further information not readily available through libraries & internet databases.

I have found a Mary Irene Hodge death in 1991 in Sefton North, born 1918, so it looks like she never married. I can't find James Kenneth's death after 1983 (which is the quickest and easiest search option), and there are too many Constance Mabels (of any surname) to establish a certain match (and none dying in the Southport area).

My father remembers his own grandfather telling stories of visits to the farm in his youth, and though no-one recalls him mentioning it, I suspect my own grandfather, Edward Hodge, will have spent time there, as it was in the family until he was 18, being run by his father's cousin.

Jane · Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject:

i have usually looked for marriages after I've found a person and their birth. Add 20 and search and hope. If I found a marriage the next thing was births of children. Easyish because of knowing mother's maiden name.

I carried on until I found someone likely to be alive. Then looked for them in electoral registers.

As I say time consuming but wonderful when you find someone. A lot depends on the surname. Very maddening when you find a woman marrying a Smith Surprised

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HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

I've been pretty lucky having few very difficult names... probably the Rimmers are amongst the worst! In fact, when I come across a really unusual name I just can't resist filling in as many gaps as I can, even when they're only in-laws.... as it's just a gift too enticing to resist when there's only the real difficult puzzles left to solve in the direct tree... I did this with Edgoose when I found it in the family (though method in the madness, as it attached a good source of possible cousins who previously didn't know the link to other names in the family, as the link to our line was to a baptism unavailable through common sources, which I'd found by buying a Norfolk register on microfilm).

Another reason why I tend not to add distant relatives who may be living is the fact that most gedcom upload facilities don't automatically withold data relating to people who may be living, and I don't like to include these in my tree without explicit permission. I figure that if I take each branch as close to 1901 as possible, most people connected who are interested can find the link to that point themselves, and my tree can provide them with the further links.

HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

Dated after 1811 (the year Charles Blundell inherited the manor), this is a list of all Birkdale tenants who paid 10 shillings to Blundell for the right to graze cattle on Little Common, Birkdale.

Names are:

John Rimmer (crossed out) "gave up"
Thomas Carr (crossed out) "gave up"
Richard Aughton
Milles Blundell (Miles Blundell)
Edward Johnson
Thomas Marshall
William Carr
Joseph Marshall

I don't know why my Hodges aren't amongst them, but thought others might be interested in seeing the signatures of Birkdale folk.

Here are the signatures in close up:

And here's a list of fines paid in a 3 year period by Birkdale tenants to Henry Blundell, presumably dated 1807-1811 (Hodge got his farm in 1807, and Henry Blundell died 1811)

I also have the original lists of the tenant boundaries and the 1809 survey book, which details the extent and size of each property, listing fields, crofts buildings etc. These are photographed page-by-page so are too big to upload, but if anyone wants details of a specific tenant, I'll gladly transcribe or upload the individual record.

Dotty · Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: Old docs

Thanks for sharing those old documents. I'm sure they will be of huge interest to many people.

Dotty thumleft

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HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

It's a pleasure to do.. these documents have probably rarely, if ever, been accessed before for North Meols/Birkdale research, even for the published works, as they are held at Liverpool, not Preston like the rest of the material for our area.

Additionally, it's only fairly recently that the catalogues have been available (online) and searchable as one large database... so I guess in the past people have focused on Preston as the main, and only, source for old documents for our area.

I can only assume that the Blundell papers ended up in Liverpool because the family were based in Ince and much of their property was from Birkdale down to Ince.

It's a pity Liverpool Record Office can't hold all of the North Meols/Birkdale documents, as we are in the same county, unlike Preston... it's also easier and cheaper for Southport folk to travel to Liverpool by public transport.

keithwwild · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 22 Location: North Wales

My Wifes tree also contains a Hodge. This ones a Stanley born in Marshside aged 23 when he married in Banks methodist Church 1928 an Isabell Abram aged 25 who was born in Banks. Isabel is the first cousin to my wifes Mother.

Keith & Ida

HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

I assume from this that you have the marriage certificate... if so, the father's name & occupation should help identify Stanley in the tree. I have few Hodges except close relatives and other researchers' families after 1901... and Stanley would've been born c1903... so if you have Stanley's father, I might be able to link him.

keithwwild · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 22 Location: North Wales

We only have an extract from the church records prepared by a Pauline Abram. The extract reads "1928 Isabella Abram age 25 spinster of Bonds Lane daughter John Abram (labourer) m Stanley Hodge age 23 of Marshside"

Sorry we have no other info.

Keith

HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

Well, unfortunately his age makes him just a couple of years too late to be on the census, and about 10 years too young to find out his mother's maiden name from the BMD index alone.

It's a pity, as the church records after 1837 do include all that was required for the certificate, so the church record should have the fathers and addresses etc.

If you ever decide to track them down with the certificate, let me know and I'll try to link him to the "big picture"... though I appreciate that your interest might not extend to wanting his tree back to 1580, as he was related by marriage.

Hodgie

Bez · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject:

HodgePodge · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Liverpool

True, I live in Liverpool now, so naturally this is easier for me to access, but I was thinking more of access from Southport which is, after all, the primary factor in the issue.... given that this is the very place the records relate to.

Southport has no direct train service to Preston and fares are expensive due to having to travel into a different transport area, However, Southport has a very regular, fast and relatively cheap service to Liverpool. Southport is in the Merseytravel network, which makes fares much cheaper (and free for senior citizens).

Without a car, Southport and Birkdale residents are left with the option of an expensive and lengthy train journey, including connections... or an even longer bus ride.... by the time they get there, they'd have used up half the day!

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