see I just knew I'd jog a memory somewhere. sometimes old memories of conversations between older relatives pop up at the most unexpected times. I may not have all the answers. but I figured some one would know what I was talking about. thanks to all you psychics out there.
As suggested previously, there may well be a record of the inquests in the Liverpool papers of the time. As you know the date of the deaths you could phone Liverpool library and ask them to check for reports of the inquests. In those days inquests were held immediately (not adjourned as they are today) and they were often held around the body of the deceased.
One of my ancestors lay on a hotel table while the inquest was held around him.
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What do you mean - gruesome????
The daft beggar had been on a day trip to Southport and had too much to drink. When the train stopped for some reason outside of Wigan he got out to relieve himself. When the train started to move again he missed his footing trying to get back in the carriage and fell under the wheel. His chest was badly crushed and he died a couple of hours later in the hotel he'd been taken to. That's the reason he was there.
Thank goodness for newspaper reports.
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I have noticed that unexpected deaths of the period came under the jurisdiction of the Ormskirk coroner. The Quarter Sessions Petitions in the Lancs RO (Ref QSP) include coroners' expense accounts when they travelled to hold an inquest and I have obtained information on a couple of inquests in North Meols in the past. It used to be possible to search for names in the Quarter Sessions records using a card index file in the searchroom in Preston but it was removed when the index was put onto the a2a website. Unfortunately they put all the records except the coroners' accounts online! I am sure the staff in Preston would be able to help to search for an account for the inquest on the Corner family and others.
The coroners' accounts generally only give very limited information about the circumstances of deaths, but would confirm that there was an inquest. Actual reports of coroners' inquests of the time are held in the Palatinate of Lancaster records at the National Archives in Kew. Records for the years 1807-1823 are filed under PL 26/295. I have used these records but it is not a very rewarding experience. All the records for each year are in folded bundles held together with string. Judging by the numbers in each bundle the vast majority of inquest reports for Lancashire have not survived and I have never found anything I was looking for.
As mentioned earlier, newspaper reports may help. Obviously it was too early for Southport papers and there does not seem to have been anything published in Ormskirk at the time. However, the Preston Journal and Croft's Lancashire General Advertiser was published between Feb 1807 and Aug 1812. I understand it is held by the Harris Library in Preston. Also, the Liverpool Mercury was published from 1811 so it may be worth checking the Liverpool Record Office.
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What a sad little story Bez, even if it was his own daft fault! I remember my mother telling me that her grandad was kept in the parlour with pennies on his eyes before his funeral and I thought that was gruesome as well. It just seemed too...too...
Roger, what a fascinating post. I shall save that in my family history file for future use.
Dotty
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: BARLOW family drownings - 1812.
Thank you all for your suggestions about possible sources of information. Some of these have already been tried with no results. Particular thanks to Roger for his comprehensive guidance as to the location of coroners records, which I have found from previous experience are notoriously difficult to unearth, even if they still exist, and then can be rather short on the details. However, I will still give them a try as soon as I get time.
Regards to all,
Don.
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Researching the names; -
BARLOW, BOWLER, CARR, CHEETHAM & MARSHALL in and around the Birkdale & Halsall area of south west Lancashire.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: BARLOW family drownings - 1812.
Don Hancock wrote:
Hello All,
Any thoughts and/or suggestions about the the following events would be appreciated:
Whilst researching my wifes' BARLOW family (et al) living in the North Meols area, and making use of the St. Cuthberts register transcriptions on microfiche, I discovered the following series of rather tragic drownings that took place on Sunday the 28th of June 1812. The burials took place on June 30th, July 8th and July 11th following. The burials being scattered over a period of many days no doubt due to the bodies being washed ashore at different times. The names of those recorded are: -
THOMAS CORNER aged 25; WILLIAM CORNER (his son) aged 1yr. and JANE RYMER aged 17, (who I suspect is also related, but the connection is not yet researched). All of these were buried on the 30th of June 1812.
A further burial, that of MARY CORNER ( nee BARLOW), aged 24, the wife of Thomas and mother of William was buried on the 8th of July.
The last of this group, NANNY (ANNE) WRIGHT (nee BARLOW) aged 35, was buried on the 11th of July 1812. Nanny is the elder sister of Mary Corner (above), buried three days previously.
There is no reference to Nanny Wright's husband NICHOLAS WRIGHT and, so far I have not yet found any burial for him at any any later date so, it may be that he also perished but his body was not recovered.
Now, the reason for quoting all of this is that I would love to discover if there is any source of information that anyone knows of that possibly records this event and would enable me to determine what actually occured and why.
Any thoughts and suggestions would be gratfully accepted.
Hi
Have just seen this post - been browsing through the posts (as you do). There's another Barlow drowning that may also fit with your research - on 11 April 1799, Peter Barlow (baptised 20 Aug 1775, son of Edward Barlow and Anne) went out fishing with three sons of William and Betty Hodges - all four perished at sea. Peter left a 22 year old wife - Alice Meadow and two young children - Jenny and Henry. Alice later married William Bradshaw in 1803.
Regards
Jo
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Nanny Barlow and husband Nicholas Wright were my 4xGt Grandparents.
Very interested to read this post.
I remember riding my bike down Marshside Road as far as, what we still called the Fog Bell in the 1950s.
The Botanic Gardens Museum still has the anamograph (?) bits which were situated next to the fog bell prior to its removal to the present site; the (then) lady in charge of the museum didn't know what she had but when I showed her the old map she brought the equipment up and said "That's good - we know where that belongs now". I have said for some years that the building should be put to practical use, but the RSPB feel it's too far from the Reserve for them but I'm sure the local schools could benefit; it would also be useful for 'inland' schools to do coastal research?
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