Hugh Gregson b 1831

bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Canada

Hugh Gregson, born 29 Nov 1831, was the son of James Gregson, b1792, and Rachel Baxendale. Hugh was baptised at Churchtown Independent Church on 17 Dec 1831.

Does anyone have any further information about him, marriage, children, death?

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Jane · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:

Have you any census information for him? I'm sure there are a few people can look him up for you.

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bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Canada

I have access to the censuses and have the following:

1841 Marshside
James Gregson, 50, farmer
Ellen, 25
William, 20
Ann, 15
Hugh, 10

James', wife Rebecca, died in 1838

James remarried on 14 Nov 1850 to Martha Hilson, of Bootle, in Liverpool, both described as farmers.

1851 Marshside.
James, Head, 59, farmer of 76 acres, employing 4 men & 1 boy
Martha, wife, 50, farmer
Hugh, son, 19, unmarried, House Carpenter
James Hunt, 25, son-in-law
Ann Hunt, 26 daughter
Richard Hunt, 3 mo, grandson

James died in 1855 and in 1861 & 1871 Martha continued to operate the farm with no family members living with her.

I have found a Hugh Gregson b abt 1829, a wheelwright, wife name Ann, which I need to follow up to see if there is a possible connection.

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Jane · Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

I have been looking at later census to see what I can find.

In 1861 this one certainly seems likely. He is the only Hugh Gregson in Lancashire who fits age/birth year.

Sorry I can't make out the street

1861 census - West Derby, Liverpool
Head - Hugh Gregson - 26 Joiner born Southport
Wife - Mary Ann - 27 born Castlemar Northwich

There is also one with Margaret born about 1832 but it says son.
This is Crossens, Southport.
Margaret is aged 61 a widow and son Hugh is down as a 29 year old widower - joiner born North Meols

So his occupation would fit with carpenter in 1851

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Jane · Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:

1871 census is a little different. I can see the Hugh in Liverpool born about 1834

In Southport itself there is Hugh born about 1856 - son of Hugh & Martha but that age is too far out.

There are no other Hugh Gregson's listed who fit at all.

I have searched FreeBMD for possible marriages -

June quarter 1855 to either Emma Cork or Ann Sutton
There are no deaths between 1851-61 for an Emma Gregson but quite a few for an Ann.
So this would fit with Hugh being married and widowed between the census.

Then there is a marriage Sept quarter 1860 to a Mary Ann Miller in Liverpool. This fits the other Hugh

Not sure if any of that helps or hinders..................

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bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Canada

[There is also one with Margaret born about 1832 but it says son.]

This son Hugh, was bapisted 25 Sep 1831, and is the son of Robert Gregson and Elizabeth/Margaret Wareing. My post of 27 Dec 07 on the topic Wife of Robert Gregson b 1796 refers to this.

I believe this Hugh is the one whose first marriage was to Ann Sutton in 1855, she died 1858. This ties in with the reference to Hugh, Widower, in the 1861 census. Hugh & Ann had a son also named Hugh (just to confuse his descendants

I will follow up on the West Derby connection. Thanks for the lead

Bob

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Dotty · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Well done...

What busy people you both are...and so productive. You put me to shame!

Jane, I love your new avatar.

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bobg · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Canada

I have made some sense of the pile of stuff I have gathered on the various Hughs born 1828-33. Thanks to Jane for her input. I am passing it along in case it may be of interest to others.

My line is through Hugh number 4.

(1) HUGH GREGSON baptized 18 March 1828, St Cuthbert’s. Parents: Miles Gregson, 1803 - 35 & Ann Young b abt 1807.

Ann remarried 26 Oct 1837 to Richard Holmes. I cannot find him on 1841 census when he would be about 13 years old.

1841 census Crossens
Richard Holmes, 30, Wheelwright.
Ann Holmes, 30.
Ann Gregson, 9
Alice Gregson, 6

Hugh Gregson, 21, wheelwright, married Ann Wareing, 25, 7 Nov 1848 at Parish Church of North Meols. Father of Hugh: Miles Gregson, farmer. Father of Ann: John Wareing, farmer. Registered Ormskirk Dec qtr 1848, vol 21, page 431.

1851 census, Crossens:
Hugh Gregson, 23, Wheelwright
Ann Gregson, 25, wife
Catherine 1, daughter
Ann, 3 mo, daughter

1861 census, Crossens:
Hugh Gregson, 32, Master Wheelwright
Ann Gregson, 37, wife
Catherine, 11, daughter
Ann, 11, daughter
Miles, 8, son.
Hugh, 4, son
Thomas, 2, son

1881 census, New Lane, Banks
Hugh Gregson, 53, Wheelwright
Ann Gregson, 58, wife.
John Sharp, 25, son in law, general labourer.
Catherine Sharp, 18, daughter, cockle gatherer.

(2) HUGH GREGSON, born abt 1833. Parents James Gregson, b 1808 & Margaret Hargreaves, b 1812

1841 census, Crossens
James Gregson, 30 joiner.
Margaret Gregson 30
Hugh, 8.
Elizabeth, 3
Alice, 1

Margaret died in 1842 and was buried at St John’s Crossens 23 March 1842. Death registered in Ormskirk Jun qtr 1842 vol 21, page 343.

By the time of the 1851 census James Gregson is living in Upper King Street, Southport and has remarried:
James 41 Joiner
Alice, 29, wife
Hugh, 19, son, unmarried, joiner.
Elizabeth, 12, daughter
Henry, 6, son.
John, 4, son.

Hugh Gregson, bachelor, joiner, married Mary Ann Miller, spinster, at St Saviour’s Church Liverpool 2 August 1860. Father of Hugh: James Gregson, joiner. Father of Mary Ann: John Miller, shoemaker.

1861 census. 14 Spekeland St, West Derby
Hugh Gregson, 26, joiner, born Southport
Mary Ann Gregson, 27, born Northwich, Cheshire

1871 census. 101 Beaumont St Toxteth Park
Hugh Gregson, 37, joiner
Mary Ann Gregson 37
Margaret Gregson, 9, daughter
Edith J Gregson 8, daughter
John H Gregson, 6, son

1881 census. 24 Dacre St., Ginger Beer Shop, West Derby
Hugh Gregson, 48, joiner.
Mary Ann Gregson 47
Margaret Gregson 19, daughter, unmarried
Edith Jane, 18, daughter, unmarried
John Henry, 16, son, apprentice plumber.
Alice Hargreaves Gregson, 9, daughter.
Elizabeth Barbara, 4, daughter.

1891 census. 51 Beaumont Street, Toxteth Park.
Hugh Gregson, 58, joiner
Mary A Gregson, 57
Margaret Gregson, 29, daughter, unmarried.
Edith Jane Pringle, 28, daughter, married
Elizabeth B Gregson, 14, daughter
Edith A Pringle, 1, granddaughter.
William Millar, 21, nephew, butcher.

1901 census. 23 Wordsworth St., Toxteth Park
Hugh Gregson, 67, joiner.
Mary A Gregson 27
Alice H Gregson 29, single
Barbara Elizabeth, 24, single, schoolteacher.

(3) HUGH GREGSON, born 29 Nov 1831; baptized 17 Dec 1831, Churchtown Independent Church. Parents James Gregson, baptized 14 March 1792, St Cuthbert’s and Rachel Baxendale, born 30 June 1793. Rachel died 1838, registered Ormskirk March qtr 1838, vol 21, page 391.

1841 census Marshside.
James Gregson, 50, Farmer
Ellen, 25.
William, 20.
Ann, 15.
Hugh, 10.

James Gregson, widower, farmer, married Martha Hilson, widow, farmer, on 14 November 1850 at St Mark’s Church, Liverpool.

1851 census
James Gregson 59, farmer of 76 acres
Martha Gregson, 50, wife, born Bootle.
Hugh Gregson, 19, house carpenter.
James Hunt, 25, son in law.
Ann Hunt, 26, daughter.
Richard Hunt, 3 months, grandson.

James’ death registered Ormskirk March qtr 1855, vol 8b, page 442. The 1861 & 1871 census show Martha continued to operate the farm but with no family members living with her, only servants & farm workers. Martha’s death was registered Ormskirk September qtr 1875, vol 8b, page 484.

No record of Hugh after the 1851 census.

(4) HUGH GREGSON baptized 25 Sep 1831 St Cuthbert’s. Parents Robert, baptized 11 December 1796 & Elizabeth/Margaret Wareing, born abt 1799

1841 census Crossens
Robert Gregson, 45, shoemaker
Margaret Gregson, 40
Thomas Gregson, 15
James Gregson, 15, ag laborourer
Hugh Gregson, 10, ag laborourer
Richard Gregson, 4
Ellen Gregson, 2

1851 census Crossens
Robert Gregson, 56, master cordwainer
Margaret Gregson, 52, wife, master cordwainer.
James Gregson, 26, son, unmarried, cordwainer
Hugh Gregson, 19, son, cordwainer
Richard Gregson, 13, son.
Ellen Gregson, 11, daughter.
John Gregson, 6, son
Thomas Gregson, 28, son, widow, cordwainer journeyman.
William Gregson, 6, son. (possibly son of Thomas)

Hugh Gregson married Ann Sutton in 1855. Registration Ormskirk, Jun qtr 1855, vol 8b, page 540. They had one child, Hugh, 1855-57. Robert & Ann died between 1851 & 1861 censuses. Possibilities for Robert Sep qtr 1856 Ormskirk vol 8b, page 407 or Jun qtr 1857 Ormskirk, vol 8b, page 372. Ann died 1859, Mar qtr 1859, vol 8b, page 421 (awaiting confirmation of these events.)

1861 census, Crossens
Margaret Gregson, 61, head, widow, boot & shoemaker, master
Hugh Gregson, 29, son, widower, joiner’s labourer.
Richard Gregson, 26, son, unm., plasterer’s labourer.
Ellen Gregson, 20, daughter, unm., housemaid
John Gregson, 17, son, shoemaker’s apprentice

Hugh Gregson, 29, widower, labourer, married Betty Johnson, 30, spinster, 30 April 1861. Father of Hugh: Robert Gregson, shoemaker. Father of Betty: John Johnson, weaver.

Hugh Gregson, mason’s labourer, died 19 March 1971, aged 40. Cause of death: Smallpox. Registered Ormskirk, Mar qtr 1871, vol 8b, page 757.

1871 census. Chase Heys, Marshside
Elizabeth Gregson, 41, widow, silk weaver.
Alice, 9, daughter
Margaret, 6, daughter.
Robert, 3, son

I also have details from 1881, 1891 & 1901 censuses for this family.

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Dotty · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Wow...

Well. you have been busy...well done and thankyou!

TTFN

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