Time of birth

ray green · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Time of birth

today I received a birth cert from St Helens Council for my great grandmother Mary Welsby born in 1859 at May Pole Brow, Rainford. It shows the time of birth as 3.30pm. I have never seen the time before, is it exceptional?

Jane · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

Oooh - it usually means twins. I'd check the quarter for another birth in that surname. The reference number will either be the same or one number out.

Twins always have their time of birth in case of law cases. That way everyone knows which one was the eldest

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ray green · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:23 am Post subject:

Doh! Well I suppose the 1861 census that shows two children aged two should have been a clue for me. Anyhow thanks for pointing the obvious out to me Jane. BTW the service provided by an Anne Atherton at St Helens Council was superb. She made me proud to be a Local government officer (retired)-well almost.

Dotty · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: I heartily concur...

I can confirm that the St Helens bunch are fantabulous...several years ago I turned up at the Council Offices 15 mins before closing time. I had three certs to order - 1 birth, 1 death and 1 marriage. I expected to pay and wait for them to be posted out...oh no! Three ladies took 1 each and with minutes to spare I had my 3 certs. I was over the moon.

At that time Southport Register office was being run by a morose, curmudgeon who used to make you wait a fortnight because 'they were busy'...

3 cheers for St Helens!!!

Dotty wav

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sylvia · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 38 Location: manchester

hiya everyone, just seen this thread, went to wigan and got my g-grandma's birth cert, it says, b tenth of march 1845, 4 am wallgate, wigan, i did wonder way the time was on there, but never thought to ask the question (WAY)
which is always a must in this game, what a numb skull. the twin must not have servived, as ther is only my g/gran on the baptism record,
would there be a birth cert, for a still born baby,
regards sylvia

Yvonne · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 212 Location: Southport

Found this answer on another site

In England and Wales Stillbirths were not made registrable until the Births and Deaths Act 1926.

However, my Mum was a twin, her brother was born and survived a few hours and he was registered, but that was 1923

sylvia · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 38 Location: manchester

Mmmm, will have a look into that next time i go to wigan
thanks amill
sylvia

Dotty · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: If...

If a baby draws as little as one breath it is deemed to have lived. Then both a birth and a death have to be registered. I know because it happened to me, although my baby lived 30mins.

My brother born in 1946, however, did not breathe and was a stillbirth but my mother never told me she had to register him. I must look into that!

Thanks for all your information.

Dotty Crying or Very sad

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sylvia · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 38 Location: manchester

oh dotty, so sorry, your baby died, mother go's through hell,
hugs from sylvia x

Dotty · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Thank you

Didn't want to make everyone sad, Sylvia.

Bad things happen but I have a son and a daughter who are a joy (but don't tell them I said so!).

Dotty

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sylvia · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 38 Location: manchester

a happy ending, i dont know if i should ask you, but i am, have you put it in your tree dotty?

Jane · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:

you can find out more on the GRO site - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

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Dotty · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Thanks

Thanks Jane and Sylvia.

Yes, Allan is on my tree, Sylvia. Mum always called him by the name he would have had.

I shall look that up after the weekend, Jane.

TTFN

Dotty

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sylvia · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 38 Location: manchester

what am i like, where else would baby Allan be, but with his mum, in
her tree, thanks jane for the info
regards sylvia

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