Harry Ball

sooner · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 111

I am trying to gather info on a family

Harry Ball married Ethel Hough Jun qtr 1928 Ormskirk district. Ethel was born 1904 in Southport daughter of John and Ellen Hough... the info I am trying to find is for HARRY can any one check the newspapers at the library for me and find out which Ball's he belongs too. I cannot even think of which line, like the rimmers there's to many. thought I would ask here first before trying to eke out the money for the marriage cert as funds are tight for everyone.... I am assuming he was a local guy so it should have made the papers. thanks for any help you can give.

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 720 Location: Fleetwood

Hi sooner Can't help I am afraid but have you tried narrowing the search down on the 1911 census.
Just a thought . Have you any idea of the year he was born.
Good Luck
Germaine
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sooner · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 111

I have no idea when he was born! I assume there would be about a 2/3 year gap so around 1900

as you can see I'm spoiled forchoice assuming he was local

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1898
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Ball Harry Ormskirk 8b 851

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Births Jun 1902
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BALL Harry Ormskirk 8b 917

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Births Dec 1902
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BALL Harry Ormskirk 8b 875

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Births Mar 1905
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Ball Harry Ormskirk 8b 906

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Births Jun 1905
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Ball Harry Yates Ormskirk 8b 927

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Births Sep 1905
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BALL Harry Ormskirk 8b 900

sooner · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 111

in 1901 Census there are 2

1901 England Census
Name: Harry Ball
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ada
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
Street address:Bispam rd
Household Members: Name Age
John Ball 26
Ada Ball 26
Alice Ball 4
Harry Ball 2
Betty Ball 5 months
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3540; Folio: 155; Page: 20.

1901 England Census
Name: Harry Ball
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Father's Name: Peter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A
Where born: Nsw, Australia
Ecclesiastical parish: Crossens St John
Street address: Banks rd
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Ball 38
Elizabeth A Ball 39
Mary A Ball 11
William R Ball 10
Alice Ball 7
Harry Ball 4
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3536; Folio: 6; Page: 4.

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 720 Location: Fleetwood

Taht si a lot
In 1911 there only seems to be two show up in southport I wonder if any had moved on or died.
I put birth date 1905 + - 10 years
Germaine
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Sorry had just put in born Southport more came up when i took that out.
so these are down living in Southport.

HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1903 8 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1900 11 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1905 6 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1906 5 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY YATES M 1906 5 Ormskirk Lancashire
Strange none born before 1900
One death showing up before 1910 suppose that could illiminate one.
Dec 1902
Ball Harry 4 Ormskirk 8b 621

sooner · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 111

so going by process of elimination the 2 1901 census the one b.1899 is probably the one who died? that leaves nsw, australia boy.... I guess I can start looking for more info on him and see if anything lines up

SeaCopRimmer · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:20 am Post subject:

Just to put a spanner in the works - is it possible that he was Henry and not Harry? My uncle and his son were always known as Harry but had been baptised Henry!

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Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 720 Location: Fleetwood

Yes Sooner if he was one of those two it points to him.
Have you no idea whenhe died maybe there woudl be a clue there.

You are right there Sea Cop I wouldn't even like to go down that road.

Germaine
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Jane · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:47 am Post subject:

As it says Harry in the marriage indexes then that should be correct. People should (although some didn't!) use their birth name when marrying or on official documents.

1928 for marriages in local papers might be a long shot though. Only the 'posh' would have got in I would think at that time.

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sooner · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 111

just talked to dad he says Ethel died about march 1986/7 so I checked and there is a death for an Ethel Ball, march 87 in Sefton North. that covers Southport doesn't it? could that date be looked up for obituary notices? there is also a harry Ball born 1902 died dec 1986 Sephton North that could be him..

Germaine · Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 720 Location: Fleetwood

That looks a good bet.
Not sure but i do think Sefton covers Southport .
Some one will be along soon that does know.
There are two Harry's about that age in 1911.
Frst one looks most likely.
Germaine
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HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1903 8 Ormskirk Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD BALL HARRY M 1900 11 Ormskirk Lancashire
By doing a bit of illiminaion I think this will be his father.

Some may be able to verify or do i better

HOUSEHOLD BALL JOHN M 1875 36 Ormskirk Lancashire.

Just having a quick look at the census you put up. there is a John Ball wife Ada and they have a son Harry born 1899 now I wonder is this the Harry that died and you have Harry no.2 .
In 1911 there is an Ada Ball with a son Harry born 1903.

Jane · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject:

This might help with registration districts -

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/CivilRegistration.shtml

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homebird · Joined: 17 May 2009 Posts: 55 Location: birkdale

The registration district for Southport was originally Ormskirk, then Southport then back to Ormskirk and finally Sefton North as it is now.

ray green · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject:

homebird · Joined: 17 May 2009 Posts: 55 Location: birkdale

oops sorry my mistake it was Ormskirk till 1934 then Southport then Sefton North (forgot which year that was) it's now Lancashire on birth certs (Ormskirk for births)

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