Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: thomas sumner 1771 & martha 1771
THOMAS and MARTHA SUMNER had 4 children and was a farmer from snape
JAMES SUMNER;- 1801 scarisbrick marries ANN born 1800 cheshire
children THOMAS 1829 cheshire(marries PHOEBE COOPER) MARY 1831 scarisbrick (marries RICHARD LIVESLEY and MARTHA 1833 scarisbrick(marries GEORGE COOPER)
ELLEN SUMNER ;- 1804 scarisbrick marries WILLIAM TWIST 1807 birkdale
children JOHN 1830(marries ALICE BROOKFIELD) and THOMAS 1835
ANN SUMNER;- 1806 scarisbrick
MARTHA SUMNER;- 1810 scarisbrick
son of james and ann,
THOMAS SUMNER b1829 marries PHOEBE COOPER b1835 scarisbrick,
they have 8 children;
JAMES 1855 marries JANE ROTHERHAM
childrenGEORGE1881,WILLIAM1883,
JAMES1886,THERESA1889(marries CALEB JACKSON),PHOEBE1892
THOMAS 1856
MARGARET 1859
GEORGE 1860
ANN 1861
HENRY 1862 marries HANNAH JACKSON children on another post
EDWARD 1867
FREDERICK 1869 marries ELLEN WAREING 1872
children ANNIE 1896,MAY 1900
it is the sumners i am looking for but i some other infomation on children of the other names i have listed if anyone thinks its their line
Name Birth date Birth place
sumner, ann 1861 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, ann 1806 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Sumner, annie 1897 Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Sumner, Edward 1867 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, ellen 1804 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Sumner, Frederick 1869 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, george 1859 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Sumner, George abt 1881 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, george 13/1/1906 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
sumner, henry 1861 ormskirk,lancashire
sumner, james 1898 blowick,lancashire
sumner, james 1855 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Sumner, james abt 1886 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, james 1801 scarisbrick,lancashire, England
sumner, jenny 1909 Southport, Lancashire, England
sumner, john 1891 blowick,lancashire
sumner, margaret abt 1859 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, margaret hannah 1899 blowick,lancashire
sumner, martha abt 1834 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, martha 1810 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, mary 1832 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, mary ann 10/6/1900 blowick,lancashire
Sumner, may 1900 Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Sumner, Phoebe Ann dec 1892 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, richard abt1907 Southport, Lancashire, England
Sumner, Theresa abt 1889 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
sumner, thomas 1771 lancashire, England
sumner, thomas abt 1829 doddleston,Chester,England
sumner, thomas 1856 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Sumner, William abt 1883 Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Well with 196 Sumners & 282 Jacksons, would you believe the only possible match I have found in my database is William Twist (1807) and I'm not 100% sure about that one
the sumners i can believe!! i havn't found anyone from that line yet?
my jacksons are from rainford hannah and caleb are sibblings and the only 2 in southport i have found so far.
william twist ??
i'm not sure now it was so long ago i did that i will have to go back over it as you have him as dying 25 nov 1830
and i have him dying in 1840 and marrying ellen sumner on the 9th nov 1830! now that wouldn't be good 16 days after marrage!!! or explain 2 children born 1830 and 35
same parents but thats no use if i'm wrong
william twist ??
i'm not sure now it was so long ago i did that i will have to go back over it as you have him as dying 25 nov 1830
and i have him dying in 1840 and marrying ellen sumner on the 9th nov 1830! now that wouldn't be good 16 days after marrage!!! or explain 2 children born 1830 and 35
same parents but thats no use if i'm wrong
I did say I wasn't 100% sure - this bit did come from "Park". The names are the same but Sumner & Twist are common enough. The Ellen Sumner in this marriage is not actually one of mine, but an in-law; also the William Twists seem to have different birthplaces; so maybe not after all
it is ellen sumner who is from my sumner tree not my direct line but a sibbling.
just been looking on ancestry and others have that same connection of william and ellen his father john watkinson twist??
need to try and find documents i think!!
just been looking on ancestry and others have that same connection of william and ellen his father john watkinson twist??
need to try and find documents i think!!
The Ancestry trees are probably also based on "Park" so it does not surprise me that there are others. I'm thinking it may well be a different William Twist & Ellen Sumner! Happens all too frequently; We are presently trying to sort out the parents of 2 Richard Halsalls, almost the same age, who both married girls called Sarah. They don't make it easy
I note that "Park" does seem to conclude that it is the same Willliam Twist (son John is as in your database married to Alice Brookfield.) I haven't put this family into my tree as I have not been able to trace it satisfactorily in the censuses. I do see Ellen Twist with (presumed) sons John & Thomas living with Thomas & Martha Sumner in 1841, but William is not there. Now if William is the one who died in 1830 he could be John's father but not Thomas's. One possibility of course is that Ellen had an illegitimate child. Unfortunately I don't have a christening record for Thomas Twist which would prove this.
There was also a William Twist baptised 25th August 1811, the son of James and Margaret Twist of Scarisbrick. He would have been 18 in 1829, so old enough to have married.
Following the marriage of William Twist and Ellen Sumner I only have one baptism for a child of a William Twist and that is 14th Feb 1836, John son of William and MARTHA Twist of Scarisbrick - so appears to be someone different.
Have you looked at the Ormskirk registers?
_________________ Middle-aged and seeking the middle-ages!
i only have one of the childrens baptisms and that is of john twist on 6th dec 1829 at st cuthberts halsall.
john and thomas twist live with their sumner grandparents,although thomas i have only found in 41,john is there 41 & 51.ellen moves to leyland alone.
just have to find/remember where i got the marrage of willam twist and ellen sumner?
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